This is the transcript for the first part of my two part interview with M.E. Thomas (a pseudonym) the author of Confessions of a Sociopath (in her book she reveals that she was tested and confirmed to score as a psychopath.) See the series link near the top of the article or at the bottom of the article for links to the audio for the interview.
Rob Kall: And
welcome to the Rob Kall Bottom Up Radio Show, WNJC1360 AM out of Washington
Township, reaching metro Philly. And my guest tonight is M.E. Thomas. She is
the author of Confessions of a sociopath.
She's a law professor, she's using a pseudonym. And from what I understand this
is the first book authored by a sociopath, like, well talking about their own sociopathy.
Welcome to the show M.E.
Rob Kall: Now in
the book, you mention your name is Morgan, now is that your real name or is
that part of your pseudonym.
Pseudonym. Okay. So, this is new for me too, let me get started. Reading from
the, the closing chapter of your book, you cite a forensic psychologist, Karen
Franklin, and she said, "The psychopath is irredeemable. A dangerous outsider
who must be contained or banished, circular in its reasoning,
psychopathy is never, none the less a warring in its simplicity". Now you..
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M.E. Thomas: Now
she actually, she's referring to the definition. She's saying that that
definition is wrong. So when she says that, she's saying, you know, here is
what people think a psychopath is. This person who's irredeemable, and that's
Rob Kall: Oh,
cause that's not the way I read what your response was. Your response to that
seemed to be, you know, your argument against that. So, I want to start, I
wanted to start off with that, and then I want to get in to what is your goal
for this book? Why did you write this?
Okay, so first my response to, the, the Karen Franklin statement. I think that
that is a criticism that's been levied against the diagnosis of sociopathy for
awhile now. That to the extent that we define
a sociopath as someone that does bad things, that of course they're going to
seem like somebody who's evil, right? Somebody who is irredeemable, so when she
says circular in its reasoning, she's saying, what sort of benefit does it give
us, if we define sociopathy as evil, for instance. There's already a word for
evil, there are already words for people who do bad things. And to mask it in
the guise of, this is a psychiatric diagnosis, therefore it's legitimate enough
to do things like deny somebody their parole, or keep them in prison
indefinitely, that that is, overreaching and unscientific.
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Rob Kall is an award winning journalist, inventor, software architect,
connector and visionary. His work and his writing have been featured in the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, CNN, ABC, the HuffingtonPost, Success, Discover and other media.
He is the author of The Bottom-up Revolution; Mastering the Emerging World of Connectivity scheduled for release May 22, 2019
He's given talks and workshops to Fortune
500 execs and national medical and psychological organizations, and pioneered
first-of-their-kind conferences in Positive Psychology, Brain Science and
Story. He hosts some of the world's smartest, most interesting and powerful
people on his Bottom Up Radio Show,
and founded and publishes one of the top Google- ranked progressive news and
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more detailed bio:
Rob Kall has spent his adult life as an awakener and empowerer-- first in the field of biofeedback, inventing products, developing software and a music recording label, MuPsych, within the company he founded in 1978-- Futurehealth, and founding, organizing and running 3 conferences: Winter Brain, on Neurofeedback and consciousness, Optimal Functioning and Positive Psychology (a pioneer in the field of Positive Psychology, first presenting workshops on it in 1985) and Storycon Summit Meeting on the Art Science and Application of Story-- each the first of their kind. Then, when he found the process of raising people's consciousness and empowering them to take more control of their lives one person at a time was too slow, he founded Opednews.com-- which has been the top search result on Google for the terms liberal news and progressive opinion for several years. Rob began his Bottom-up Radio show, broadcast on WNJC 1360 AM to Metro Philly, also available on iTunes, covering the transition of our culture, business and world from predominantly Top-down (hierarchical, centralized, authoritarian, patriarchal, big) to bottom-up (egalitarian, local, interdependent, grassroots, archetypal feminine and small.) Recent long-term projects include a book, Bottom-up-- The Connection Revolution, debillionairizing the planet and the Psychopathy Defense and Optimization Project.