Rob Kall: And welcome to the Rob Kall Bottom Up Radio Show, WNJC1360 AM out of Washington Township, reaching metro Philly. And my guest tonight is M.E. Thomas. She is the author of Confessions of a sociopath. She's a law professor, she's using a pseudonym. And from what I understand this is the first book authored by a sociopath, like, well talking about their own sociopathy. Welcome to the show M.E.
M.E. Thomas: Thank you.
Rob Kall: Now in the book, you mention your name is Morgan, now is that your real name or is that part of your pseudonym.
M.E. Thomas: Pseudonym.
Rob Kall: Pseudonym. Okay. So, this is new for me too, let me get started. Reading from the, the closing chapter of your book, you cite a forensic psychologist, Karen Franklin, and she said, "The psychopath is irredeemable. A dangerous outsider who must be contained or banished, circular in its reasoning, psychopathy is never, none the less a warring in its simplicity". Now you..
M.E. Thomas: Now she actually, she's referring to the definition. She's saying that that definition is wrong. So when she says that, she's saying, you know, here is what people think a psychopath is. This person who's irredeemable, and that's not true.
Rob Kall: Oh, cause that's not the way I read what your response was. Your response to that seemed to be, you know, your argument against that. So, I want to start, I wanted to start off with that, and then I want to get in to what is your goal for this book? Why did you write this?
M.E. Thomas: Okay, so first my response to, the, the Karen Franklin statement. I think that that is a criticism that's been levied against the diagnosis of sociopathy for awhile now. That to the extent that we define a sociopath as someone that does bad things, that of course they're going to seem like somebody who's evil, right? Somebody who is irredeemable, so when she says circular in its reasoning, she's saying, what sort of benefit does it give us, if we define sociopathy as evil, for instance. There's already a word for evil, there are already words for people who do bad things. And to mask it in the guise of, this is a psychiatric diagnosis, therefore it's legitimate enough to do things like deny somebody their parole, or keep them in prison indefinitely, that that is, overreaching and unscientific.