So the anti social personality disorder, which you kind of mentioned earlier, which is in the DSM, the Diagnostic Manual of psychiatric disorders, that is what is most commonly used. And that"
Rob Kall: This particular study, this particular study, used, Robert Hare's profile I believe.
M.E. Thomas: Right. Even his profile has been criticized for being over half, basically criminal traits. And so it makes sense if you think of, you know is this person violent? If that's one of the characteristics for defining somebody, and then they continue being violent, you know that, that definitely is predictive. And to ask, does somebody have a violent history, you know is very predictive that they're going to continue being violent.
But I don't necessarily think that somebody like me, you know, am I more likely to be a recidivist, if I were to create a, if I were to be a criminal. You know, commit crimes. I don't know if that's necessarily true. So I think when you think of actions of a criminal"
Rob Kall: Wait, wait, wait can I just interrupt? Let me just, you said, if I were to become a criminal and commit crimes, right. But you, you write in your book about how you would go to the lost and found and claim books that weren't yours. That you would take bicycles and sell them, and the books. Isn't that a crime?
M.E. Thomas: Right. Oh I'm sure it's a crime, I'm sure it's a crime. I would I be imprisoned as a, I, it wouldn't be felony right? So I guess everybody commits crimes to the extent that you know, we do small things that are wrong, even traffic infractions, intentionally. People intentionally speed, people intentionally don't come to a complete stop. Right. At the time did I realize that I was committing crime, I thought that I was exploiting loopholes. And that's another thing, you know, the benefit of hindsight. That now I would describe those things as being criminal, at the time did I think that they were criminal? No. So now that I think that they're criminal would I do them now? No. I would, I wouldn't want to go to jail.
Rob Kall: Okay, you know you've mentioned a couple times about emotions, now in your book you repeatedly characterize people who are not sociopaths, or as, as empaths, a sociopath, empath. And you discuss in your book how you don't want to use the word normals, cause there are lots of people who are not normal who have emotions. And I agree with that entirely. But you also said that emotions cloud your perception. I would say that emotions can add a dimension, like some an, animals are part color blind, and emotions in a sense add the color, added an extra dimension to perception. And of course I can see too that it does, it can also color it wrong, or or or overwhelm people with it. Would you rather have emotions or not have emotions?
M.E. Thomas: You know that's a good question. I have emotions. I just don't give them the same sort of, sway in my life. You know when I have them it's like you're hungry, I have feelings I have feelings that feel different from day to day. I'm happy or sad, and I can tell that I'm happy or sad. And maybe I can sort of think, you know, it's probably because I haven't eaten.
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