Rob Kall: So, but you didn't answer my question at all. Which is who are..
M.E. Thomas: Oh who are the celebrities or famous people?
Rob Kall: Or anybody, anybody, who are some soc, outside of criminals, I mean that's you know frankly what interests me particularly about you is you're a very high functioning individual. And, you you reported that you're making six, nice six figures you've done investments that have paid off very well, and you're in your early thirties right?
M.E. Thomas: Right.
Rob Kall: So who are some sociopaths, or psychopaths who are not criminals, not identified as criminals in the world? In history, they don't even have to be alive, I'm just curious what, who you've kind of looked at and said, "Oh, she or he is probably a sociopath".
M.E. Thomas: Yeah here's one that I have noticed and is probably going to be unpopular, a lot of people are going to disagree with me about it. I have always thought particularly, maybe like five years ago, that the actress Angelina Jolie has a lot of sociopathic traits. She kind of has a weak sense of self, she was very much one to think independently, to the point of, you know basically not caring what anybody thought. Manipulative, when you read some of the interviews, and I think actors and actresses, narcissistic personality disorder, I think is a popular one. I also think sociopathy is a popular one. Because sociopaths naturally have a weak sense of self. And so it's very easy for them to, sort of, take on these other roles, and embody other particular roles.
Let me think of some other ones. Ada Lovelace is a, a famous, Lord Byron's daughter who is also famous for being a female mathematician. Well first of all, Lord Byron I think is possibly a sociopath. You read some of his stuff, and his background too is somebody who was described as being mad, bad and dangerous to know. And was willing to buck social norms, and be very promiscuous, but also very charming right? Very capable of seducing people and getting people, winning people over also very talented.
But his daughter, you know, narcissistic. You read some of her letters and her journals, and she was very smart and also very capable, but would also talk about how she thinks she has these special gifts to humanity. And I think these things, there very narcissistic again, and it's a little bit difficult to tell. But they're also traits that a sociopath has.
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