Rob Kall: Okay, and then you talk about how sociopaths are treated by indigenous cultures. Tell us.
M.E. Thomas: Right. It's so that, there aren't just psychological descriptions of sociopaths, you can see other descriptions. The Inuit tribe has a special word for them, and their solution was when there's somebody who's anti social this way, you know a little bit of a leech and always getting in to trouble. And they didn't really seem to care, or seem to be able to be reformed, then they'd put them on an ice flow and just send them off, and basically kill them.
Rob Kall: Which is not the way you want to be treated, obviously. *chuckles*
M.E. Thomas: *chuckles* Right, you know I actually don't know. If I'm treated that way, I just want people to make an informed decision, you know realize what they're doing. If, if the solution is everybody wants to kill sociopaths then I guess I'm kind of outvoted. I can fight that, you know, but it's society does what society wants.
Rob Kall: Now, last week I interviewed a person who wrote a book, Corporate Psychopaths, and he basically says that there are some banks that are looking to hire socio, psychopaths, which is a smaller percentage but very similar to sociopaths. And we can get in to the differences, but this is something that you talk a lot about, and it almost at one point seemed to me like you were writing this book as a business card, or a promotional thing to you, as an attorney. But now you're not working so much as an attorney, you're working as a, as a teacher. But you very strongly advocate in the book that sociopaths, can be very valuable as attorneys, or in business, can you talk a little bit about that?
M.E. Thomas: Yes, so I think that part of the book, writing the book was trying too. You know people constantly sort of ask me to justify my existence, and I don't necessarily think that I have to justify my existence, but I think that if I, if I did have too I have some pretty good reasons why I or other sociopaths might exist.
The elements of my sociopathy don't always seem negative to me. There are a lot of benefits that I get from these particular traits. Have, being sort of, not having emotions cloud your decisions gives you clarity in a lot of instances. Particular things like stock trading, right, so the, the example of the banks, you read the stock trip, stock tip books. Books that are intended to help people trade better. And a lot of them deal with how do you deal with your emotions? You fear, not only losing money in a stock when it's going down, but you also fear losing out on opportunity when a stock is going up, and you think should I buy it? You know, and the the higher it goes up the stupider you feel, or the worse you feel about yourself because you're losing out on all this opportunity to make money.
So there are a lot of decisions done in investing, and the stock market that are based on fear. Fear of losing out or fear of losing money. And so what people end up doing, is they buy the stock when it's already, you know, made significant movements up, and they finally reach the point where they think, "I can't keep losing out like this," so they buy high, and then they sell low. They keep holding on to the stock and thinking, you know, "I can't sell now, I'm going to take a significant lose". So that's how fear ends up working against them in a stock trading situation.
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