T.D.: They were sacrificed. Okay? Let's say it that way.
R.K.: And how do you know about this?
T.D.: How do I know about this? The history of the Liberty. There's multiple accounts and private, I say private, it's really public testimony by those who have survived. USS Liberty is an example of that but then I can give other examples from other countries who had other intentions, what about the USS Pueblo, alright? The similar ship by the way.
R.K.: What about it?
T.D.: That was a different kind of a country. It depends on who's side you're on and who you're supporting. Obvious we weren't supporting North Korea, so but you know a whole lot of stuff was compromised as a result of that ship being taken captive.
R.K.: Okay. Now you talked about how NSA has compromised the integrity of commercial IT worldwide, could you explain that?
T.D.: Unconscionable. Obama did not address in his speech earlier today. If I can't, if I attack and weaken the very infrastructure the people depend on for modern transaction. You know financial economic, the life blood, the engine, of not just national commerce but international and trade. If I weaken it, guess what I am opening it up to? Those who obviously have other nefarious purposes in mind. I just find it unconscionable that we, in cooperation with certain corporations, would deliberately see the infrastructure in a way that would weaken it, to make it easier to surveil it.
R.K.: So did NSA really do that?
T.D.: But see, well it's pathological. If we strengthen it we have less ability to surveil it so by weakening it we increase the incentive to surveil, so what do you do? You weaken it so now I can get more data. Remember the pathology, which is what I was told after 9/11, you don't understand Mr. Drake, we just want the data. And see part of it, here is part of the explanation.
Instead of accepting that NSA was fundamentally culpable of 9/11, although the culpability goes throughout government including CIA and FBI, but NSA was fundamentally culpable in 9/11, it's just as Hayden himself said in executive session, I was there to hear it, how great it is, and I am paraphrasing, for NSA to hide behind in the shadows of the CIA FBI while they get to take the hit out in public, well it is true, the CIA and the FBI took huge hits in the court of public opinion while NSA remained in the shadows, but even the investigators have later, there's investigators in the 9/11 commission, spoke about the difficulty they had in getting any real information, intelligence out of NSA.
And unfortunately some of that which they provided them was considered so classified or classified at such a high level at NSA that those records remain sealed to this day. What does that tell you? I know that the prima fascie smoking gun intelligence that I gave to 9/11 congressional investigations, and I had different information with the joint inquiry, was suppressed and censored.
I know that from people who know I was interviewed, they cannot find any record of any of the thousands of pages of documentation that I provided them. And yet during my criminal case, this pattern of somehow during discovery whether it was in an official government investigation or whether it's in a criminal case like mine, my public defenders are asking for discovery months and months and months go by and the chief prosecutor comes back, was William Welch and says, oh under a document destruction policy, which didn't exist by the way, the material that Mr. Drake provided to the Department of Defense Inspector General, well it's gone. It's no longer available. How convenient is that?
Well it's convenient because the government filed motions to eliminate as relevant or admissible at trial before a jury of my peers anything related to whistleblowing, anything related to first amendment activities or the press, and anything related to classification. How convenient is it that that very information, the very documentation that I provided to the Department of Defense, Office of Inspector General has resulted in an official investigation, but it has conveniently disappeared.
Primary reason by the way, one of the primary reasons, they came to our houses. They wanted to take culpatory information off the street.
R.K.: So it was an insurance action to enter and confiscate stuff from your house?
T.D.: Yeah, and also just to send the most chilling of messages and of course intimidation, you better stay silent or it could get worse. It was made crystal clear that you don't want to talk to anybody about this, it's a national security investigation, you're in deep trouble, I mean, when you have got the chief prosecutor then, saying how would you like to spend the rest of your life in prison, Mr. Drake? unless you cooperate with our investigation.
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