T.D.: In terms of the twin towers, no.
R.K.: You're not saying that, or what are you saying?
T.D.: I just thought I said it. I don't believe, there's no controlled demolition of the twin towers.
R.K.: Okay.
T.D.: The level of conspiracy necessary to pull that off would be extraordinary. Okay? Absolutely extraordinary and people continue even the truthers just will deny certain facts regarding what happens when a plane hits a building like that with fuel and it doesn't take much and
if you look at the construction of those buildings, the pancake effect. That pancake effect is on purpose. The pancake effect is not because of controlled demolition, but does it look similar? Yes. It does. But some have convinced themselves otherwise. I brought to their attention what I knew from the inside in terms of the intelligence and they discount it. They just say it was all a conspiracy and all the rest it just frame up stuff. It's not. You have to remember in the United States counter-terrorism was not a priority. It just wasn't.
R.K.: What you said basically at dinner the other night was that there were all kinds of questions that need to be asked and there were all kinds of failures, particularly this failure to share information of what they already knew.
T.D.: Remember, this is the human condition. We keep forgetting, this is what I call the pathology because it's an interesting paralysis of power. When they hold power, information is the currency. So control is governed by how do I control what information I have at my disposal or what I have access to? How can I manipulate it?
And the irony of course here is that by withholding information you actually set up circumstances in which other things happen that you have to then react to. And this case reacting to the tragedy of three thousand people murdered and not just Americans by the way. And it didn't have to happen. But the idea that the government murdered them themselves through some kind of extraordinary conspiracy to plant controlled devices to pancake the buildings, I mean what happened to the planes?
I kind of say that in the obvious sense that somehow the planes didn't make it happen.
R.K.: And you also mentioned at dinner that Osama Bin Laden was a construction engineer and he had access to and reviewed the blueprints.
T.D.: Yes he did. Remember, you have got to remember even the caves he was in in Tora Bora, the original set of caves go all the way back to earlier days in which we were actually supporting him, the Mujahideen ironically enough, during the Soviet occupation for almost a decade in Afghanistan.
R.K.: And then you say, just to recap again, you say 9/11 was an excuse. What are you talking about?
T.D.: 9/11 is an excuse. You want to know what the conspiracy is, I am going to reflect on what Rahm Emanuel said, you never let a good crisis go to waste. Cheney was a master of how do you manipulate events to gain more power and even though he wasn't on top of all of this when it came to what was really happening, how convenient is it to have a 9/11 and then use that in secret to unchain the government from the constitution.
He has always said going all the way back that if he ever had a chance to enter back into politics at a very senior level, this is when he worked in the Nixon administration and he was the chief of staff as you recall for Ford when Ford was president, that he would restore the imperial presidency, because he always thought that Nixon got a raw deal.
R.K.: Alright, one more point. You have mentioned false flags. Now you're saying that 9/11 was not a false flag right? Alright, we just got disconnected. I am betting that his phone ran out of power. I am hoping he is going to call back. So we will wait and see what happens, I'll do a station ID.
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