Rob Kall: I like
that.
Andrew Schmookler:
Yeah, I do too. I use it in one
of my books. I think it's true. There is no such thing as enough for these
people. So those are the two patterns
that we see. Then there's the pattern
that we see of always appealing to the worst in people. When is the last time the Republicans showed
their followers something that they should feel love toward - except in the
context of hating something else even more?
It's hate and fear.
Rob Kall: Guns.
Andrew Schmookler:
Well, I suppose. But the desire
for the guns is an expression of hatred and fear. They want these guns so they can fight off
the tyrant that's coming to unman them, and that shows you what the broken
culture does at the level of father-son relationships: they believe that the
power will come and unman them, because that is what they have experienced.
Rob Kall: So what do
we do? We've got a couple minutes left
for this interview. What's the answer?
Andrew Schmookler:
Well, for me, the answer is: what we've got to do is everything we can
do to change the consciousness, to raise the consciousness. Our own people who see that there's something
wrong need to see the magnitude and depth of this thing is such a way that we
are inspired to - there is a line from Yeats, a famous poem: "The best lack all conviction, and the worst
are filled with a passionate intensity."
In America today, the worst have that intensity because they're coming
from such a wounded place.
We need to have that
intensity because we're coming from such a spiritually alive place, that we see
that what is going on here is a battle of Good and Evil, and we are called upon
to strengthen the powers of Good and weaken the powers of Evil. What I'm doing to do that is to try to
inspire the people who see that there's something wrong, and to figure out ways
of putting out messages to the rest of the people so they can awaken from their
trance state, because they are, many of them, really good and decent people,
who have been led astray by a force which is exploiting their less-good side,
and bringing out their less-good side.
Rob Kall: So --
you're characterizing this force which is -- is it Right Wing? Is it Conservativism?
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