Rob Kall: Well, I'll throw this at you, too: the
counter-force to a demonic archetype would be the Hero. And the Hero also deals in death; the hero
must die in order to come back as a hero.
Andrew Schmookler: There are many forms of heroism. Some of them are warriors, like Winston
Churchill; some of them are not, like Jesus and Buddha. The powers of wholeness are also great. They are of the other part of what should be
inspiring us, and in fact, that's the root I got there for. I had had a very transformative vision of
wholeness, and how -- well, anyway, it's a piece I think I posted on your
website seven years ago, or something like that. Maybe I should do it again because /
Rob Kall: Yeah!
Do it again.
Andrew Schmookler: It was a sensitization to ow wonderful the
whole thing are, like, the core of this being expressed through life is all
about creating wholeness, and the challenge for us. And the real fulfillment in life, this is
what I've discovered, what moved me was that I discovered that, every time that
I find my way into the sacred core of things and get my spirit lit on fire,
it's been through one of the avenues that leads into the wholeness, and that's
been the most fulfilling thing in my life.
I think that we can learn there that there is something in us that wants
to find it's way there, and /
Rob Kall: Well, I',ll throw this at you. When I pray, it's to remember that I'm
connected to everything, and that's all about wholeness.
Andrew Schmookler: It is indeed all about wholeness. And when you think about how you're connected
with everything, what is the feeling that goes with it?
Rob Kall: Well, it's an odd thing. I just ask, I kind of ask and open myself to
remember, and usually what happens is there's images from nature of a thousand
grains of sand, or moss covering a field, or things that just remind me that
are all these different ways that life and the universe are both connected in
this one giant fabric of energy and matter.
Andrew Schmookler: Do you have a vision of a human world that
could be whole, a wholeness that we could embody? Is that part of anything that you ever
envision?
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