NSA is supposed to write solicitations for proposals or bids on what the government wanted done but they could actually have contractors in doing that, writing for them so the contractors would right the request for proposals and then they would write the responses to the proposals so it was like they were doing both ends of the job.
W.B.: So that shows you how, well that's how the incestuous relationship operates.
R.K.: And there was a talk about how the employees at NSA would get paid. That the money tree would come to them. How would the money tree come to them if they were working as government employees?
W.B.: Well it would work pretty much like this, if they retired or quit NSA they could go to the contractors and work for the contractors at a higher salary and then come back to NSA with all the people they knew to influence them to give contracts.
R.K.: Would you say this was a very common occurrence?
W.B.: Yes, it was quite common. All you have to do is look at the people who are the higher level people and look at they retire from NSA or CIA or other agencies of the government and then look at where they go for jobs and who they contract with and you could see the influence there.
R.K.: So let me just recapitulate this. So what happens is company comes to somebody at NSA and we've got a project we would like to sell you and somebody at NSA says okay write up the request for the proposal, I'll put it in, and then you can write up the response to the proposal.
W.B.: Yeah and then tell me how much it's going to cost. And that comes from the corporation.
R.K.: And how much am I going to get out of it?
W.B.: Well you get the promise of future employment.
W.B.: And getting a higher salary when you retire from the government or if you quit early you can come over and you know, work for the corporation.
R.K.: And now what I heard was that this could be like, did they get signing bonuses as well?
W.B.: Oh yeah, oh sure.
R.K.: So they get a signing bonus that's enough o pay for a house, right?