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NSA 30 Year Veteran, Whistleblower William Binney on Corrupt NSA-- the Inside Story-- Transcript

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W.B.: Roughly eighty percent.  Yeah.

R.K.: What does that mean for the way that NSA can get around it?

W.B.: Well that means they have direct access to the fiber lines in the United States so therefore they have direct access to eighty percent of the entire network of the world.  

R.K.: And what could they do with that?

W.B.: Well they can collect it, they can take in the data or they can passively do that or they could potentially get active and go through different systems around the world or you know going through the firewalls or other kinds of operating systems that are existing or based on the weaknesses they have created or the weaknesses they jointly created with the industry so that allows them access to the entire network.  A good portion of it, anyway.

R.K.: Anything that we haven't covered yet?  We have got to wrap this up.  Anything that we haven't covered that's really important that you would like the listeners to know about?

W.B.: Just that my major concern isn't with NSA having access to this data or having this data, it's the use of it and once they get it and store it, being used by law enforcement and our law enforcement is spreading that around the world to other law enforcement and so it's corrupting not just our democracy, we're becoming a police state because of this but it's also corrupting the countries around the world so it's really endangering the democratic process and the court systems that we have established.  That is really destroying our society.  We may not know it yet but eventually it'll get to all of us.

R.K.: Bad news.  So you told me that you're going to spend the rest of your life on this.  

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W.B.: Yes.  Until my government basically starts to do the right thing, and that means become a constitutionally based operating government.

R.K.: dDo you see any ideological or party differences in the way this is being handled?

W.B.: Actually no.  I think they're all basically the same.  They've been, I mean for example you know Bush would prefer to have acquired the terrorists, captured them, put them in to torture them to get information; whereas Obama would kill them with a drone.  So it's the same principle, I mean they're just doing whatever they want, there are no limits to what they want to do.  Especially the latest NDAA that talks about giving the president the power to declare anybody, any US Citizen even in this country a terrorist and have the military pick them up, take them off the street, incarcerate them indefinitely, and give them no due process.  

That to me is executing something very similar to what the Nazis did in 1933, Special Order 48, that did exactly the same thing.  And that's how they got rid of all of their opposition.  All the communists and anybody else that opposed them.  But I mean they sent them to the concentration camps.  So far we have not been sending them to the concentration camps but they'll do things like send the FBI after you or maybe attempt to put you in jail like they tried to do with a number of us.  

So they're not as radical yet but the problem is that when you give people that kind of power or they hold that kind of power, sooner or later, they're going to use it. One way or another.  

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R.K.: You know it seems to me that the same applies to technology.  If the technology is available or if it can be developed they're going to develop it and they're going to use it.  

W.B.: That's right.

R.K.: They're ought to be some controls on that.  Got to wrap it up, this has been a great interview, thank you so much and keep up the great work.

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People like Mr. Binney are the True American Heros... by Paul Solger on Saturday, Feb 1, 2014 at 1:46:01 PM
Mr. Binney is a "hero" and a patriot in many mind... by Paul Repstock on Saturday, Feb 1, 2014 at 6:57:34 PM
Wow. That was an eye opener.  Time to tear ... by Bob Davey on Saturday, Feb 1, 2014 at 8:37:43 PM
The issue of who controls information is so much ... by Susan Lee Schwartz on Sunday, Feb 2, 2014 at 10:45:38 AM
The link provided is awesome. The video cartoon im... by Paul Repstock on Sunday, Feb 2, 2014 at 11:14:15 AM
Susan..or anyone: Please take the video "The Hang... by Paul Repstock on Sunday, Feb 2, 2014 at 11:49:02 AM
Rob - This is a very important interview. Please k... by lila york on Sunday, Feb 2, 2014 at 5:14:13 PM
Excellent and resourceful interview. I've long won... by Jon Shafer on Wednesday, Feb 5, 2014 at 11:51:24 PM