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NSA Whistleblower-- William Binney: Corruption in NSA, Lies About Snowden, Threats to Democracy

From William Binney, 30 year NSA veteran former employee
William Binney, 30 year NSA veteran former employee
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A transcript of my interview with William Binney. Listen here: Podcast/NSA-Whistlebower-American-by-Rob-Kall-America-Freedom-To-Fascism_FISA_IMPEACHMENT-OFF-THE-TABLE-PELOSI_

R.K.:  And welcome to the Rob Kall Bottom Up Radio Show WNJC 1360 AM out of Washington Township reaching Metro Philadelphia and South New Jersey, sponsored by  Tonight my guest is an American Hero.  He is a Whistleblower  His name is William Binney, Bill Binney.  He was technical director of the World Geopolitical and Military Analysis and Reporting Group at NSA.  It's a high level position at NSA.  He left to become a Whistleblower, basically, to report problems.  In exchange for reporting problems he had his home raided, he was charged with crimes and his life was destroyed in so many ways because that's what the Federal Government does to Whistleblowers.  Welcome to the show, Bill.

W.B.: Thank you.  Thanks for having me.

R.K.: And thank you so much for what you have done for us all.  Tell me a little bit about your work at NSA.  

W.B.: I was kind of in the technical track so basically my job was to deal with technical problems that the agency had and the last job I had with the world I was looking at technical problems all around the world and I had to deal with those and try to solve them for the agency to use.  That was fundamentally what I did.  Before that I was basically looking at the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact in the Cold War days and I solved crypto problems, codes and ciphers and things like that with that problem.  I was basically looking at technical aspects of the problem at NSA.

R.K.: So you wrote codes, you helped design codes, you created algorithms.  You are a math guy, so you were looking at doing code breaking, cryptology, right?

W.B.: Yes.  That's right.  Yeah.  That was my primary thing.   That's how you can gain understanding of potential enemies and what their intentions are and their capabilities so that was the whole objective with the intelligence production process at NSA.

R.K.:  Now that put you into the SIGINT part, right?  Signals Intelligence?

W.B.: Yes, yes that's right.

R.K.: And just in a quick overview, what are the other kinds of intelligence?  There's SIGINT which is Signals Intelligence, there's - 

W.B.: Well actually SIGINT breaks into two parts, really.  Com-Int which is communications intelligence, that is people communicating with other people, that's where I was.  Or E-lint, electronic intelligence.  That's like radars and  telemetry and machines talking with machines, that kind of thing.  

But then of course CIA did Hum-Int, Human Intelligence and NRO did Picture Intelligence if you will and we had all the other kinds of intelligence that would be gather material around the world and the Hum-Int part that dealt with recruiting sources of information within other countries or other governments or that kind of thing .

R.K.: Right.  So, near the end of the time you were working there, you were working on an important project, what was the name of the project?

W.B.: I had a number of them about five running at the same time but the one that was dealing with the world problem that's the most important problem in the world was called Thin Thread and that was designed to handle massive amounts of communications and figure out in that massive amount of communications what was important for us to pull out so that analysts could analyze and look at and deal with the problems of foreign intelligence or foreign threats, international crime, things of that nature.  

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People like Mr. Binney are the True American Heros... by Paul Solger on Saturday, Feb 1, 2014 at 1:46:01 PM
Mr. Binney is a "hero" and a patriot in many mind... by Paul Repstock on Saturday, Feb 1, 2014 at 6:57:34 PM
Wow. That was an eye opener.  Time to tear ... by Bob Davey on Saturday, Feb 1, 2014 at 8:37:43 PM
The issue of who controls information is so much ... by Susan Lee Schwartz on Sunday, Feb 2, 2014 at 10:45:38 AM
The link provided is awesome. The video cartoon im... by Paul Repstock on Sunday, Feb 2, 2014 at 11:14:15 AM
Susan..or anyone: Please take the video "The Hang... by Paul Repstock on Sunday, Feb 2, 2014 at 11:49:02 AM
Rob - This is a very important interview. Please k... by lila york on Sunday, Feb 2, 2014 at 5:14:13 PM
Excellent and resourceful interview. I've long won... by Jon Shafer on Wednesday, Feb 5, 2014 at 11:51:24 PM