R.K.: So okay.
W.B.: I mean that's the way I guess it went. I don't know. He never came down to talk to the technology people in my area.
R.K.: Okay, that's fair enough. So another thing that you mentioned was that corporations, a handful of corporations did most of the work that was farmed out, that was outsourced for NSA. What are the corporations?
W.B.: Well some of the main ones were SAIC, TRW, Booz Allen, my goodness there's a whole set of them over there, CFC, there's a whole set of buildings that cropped up after 9/11 and right next to NSA where they can be close and keep their contract influence going, you know? It's like a stay close to the source of all of the money and the honey, you know? They can dip into the honey bucket.
R.K.: We're talking hundreds of thousands of employees, right?
W.B.: Yes, around the world? Yes. That's right.
R.K.: Because that came out with this story about Snowden and these are not low-paid employees. Snowden was making over two hundred thousand dollars a year so hundreds of thousands employees making hundreds of thousands of dollars each. Right?
W.B.: Billing rate, they probably, whatever they bill for a person, like if they bill two hundred thousand I think generally you could divide it in two and say that's what the person gets, the other part is overhead and goes to management functions in the corporation and other kinds of like, costs like contributing into the medical, contribution of the corporations to the person and so forth.
R.K.: So you're saying of Snowden was getting a salary of two hundred thousand then Booz Allen was probably getting four hundred thousand?
W.B.: That's correct.
R.K.: Wow. I can see how they can build some pretty big high-rises out of all that money pretty quickly. That's huge.
W.B.: That's what they did. That's what they did. They're all lined up across the parkway from NSA.
R.K.: But it's worse. I mean what you said was that the decisions at NSA were often made by the corporations.
W.B.: Or extremely influenced by them, yes. That's right
R.K.: Well talk about that some more, what does that mean?
W.B.: Well when they would go, for example to get proposals from corporations, they would say, why don't you write the proposals for me? And they would do that. Or they would write solicitations for them.