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Interview with David Ray Griffin on the Rob Kall Radio Show

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Rob Kall Conference/Interview with Dr. David R. Griffin and cohost Jon Gold (Transcribed 9-21-08 by Barbara Bales and Jay Farrington )

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Kall: Hello, Hello

Gold: This is Jon. Is this Rob?

Kall: Hi, it’s Rob yeah. Well we should have our producer on in a moment, and then we usually hear a minute of the end of the preceding show, and then we’ll go on. I'll introduce, I'll go live, introduce you, and then we can start. And I think, I think what we want to do is just start with some real basics, you know?

Gold: No, that’s fine. One thing I would like to do is express our condolences to the 2,972 families that lost someone that day.

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Kall: Okay.

Gold: You know, that’s a big part of why I do what I do. I don’t want to get into it in the big part of the interview, but 9/11 family member Bob McElvey, in 2004, at the 9/11 Omission hearings which were chaired by then Representative Cynthia McKinney, in New York City, it was the first family member I was exposed to crying, because they weren’t getting the answers that they sought. So he was a big (unintell) for me. All of the family members, Laurie, (unintell) Patty, Monica. They are just national treasures.

Kall: They are. I have met a couple of the Jersey girls.

Gold: Yep. Amazing women. Amazing, brilliant women.

Kall: I’m getting nervous. Usually the producer is on by now. I’m

going to, just hang in there a minute; I’m going to call her on my cell phone. Oh there you go I was just about to call you Karen, how you doing?

Karen: Are you ready?

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Kall: We’re ready.

Karen: All right. You’re listening to WMJC 1360 AM in Washington Passaic New Jersey and on the web at WMJC 1360 dot com. Up next, Rob Kall.

Kall: Hi, this is Rob Kall, with the Rob Kall Show, sponsored by And tonight we’ve got a real treat. We’ve got definitely one of the most respected preeminent people in the 9/11 Truth Movement, David Ray Griffin. Dr. David Ray Griffin with us. He’s professor emeritus at Claremont School of Theology and Claremont Graduate University, where he taught philosophy of religion and theology with special emphases on the problem of evil and the relations between science and religion, theology, ecology, religion and politics and modernity and post modernity. He’s published 34 books including seven about 9/11, and his newest one is The New Pearl Harbor Revisited, 9/11, the Cover Up and Expose, published by Olive Branch. Dr Griffin, it’s an honor and a pleasure to have you here. Hello? Dr Griffin? Did we lose you? Oh boy. I was speaking to him a minute ago. And here I am stuck without our guest. Let me see how we can sort this out here. I’m going to call him back.

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Rob Kall has spent his adult life as an awakener and empowerer-- first in the field of biofeedback, inventing products, developing software and a music recording label, MuPsych, within the company he founded in 1978-- Futurehealth, and founding, organizing and running 3 conferences: Winter Brain, on Neurofeedback and consciousness, Optimal Functioning and Positive Psychology (a pioneer in the field of Positive Psychology, first presenting workshops on it in 1985) and Storycon Summit Meeting on the Art Science and Application of Story-- each the first of their kind. Then, when he found the process of raising people's consciousness and empowering them to take more control of their lives one person at a time was too slow, he founded which has been the top search result on Google for the terms liberal news and progressive opinion for several years. Rob began his Bottom-up Radio show, broadcast on WNJC 1360 AM to Metro Philly, also available on iTunes, covering the transition of our culture, business and world from predominantly Top-down (hierarchical, centralized, authoritarian, patriarchal, big) to bottom-up (egalitarian, local, interdependent, grassroots, archetypal feminine and small.) Recent long-term projects include a book, Bottom-up-- The Connection Revolution, debillionairizing the planet and the Psychopathy Defense and Optimization Project.

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