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This is the second half of the transcript of this interview done on June 20,2013. (You can read the first half of the interview here.)
Clive Boddy, Author, Corporate Psychopaths
Rob Kall : It seems to
me, that what you're describing is the collapse of community and connectedness
among people in companies. Because if you have more of that then, these kinds
of behaviors are going to be more easily identified and detected and talked
about and brought to leadership.
Clive Boddy : Yes, I
think that's a good point. Where you have more and more connections you've got
greater chance of identifying them in the first place, and therefore
restraining their influence, or restraining their gaining of management
Rob Kall : It makes me
think, and I call my show the Bottom Up Radio Show, most of the interviews I do
are related to the idea that there's the transition from a top down to a bottom
up world, our culture, our brains, and that people are getting more connected
in some ways, but at the same time there are problems that are affecting our
connections. Like globalization hurts community, consumer culture hurts
community, and it seems to me that those kinds of things are having this side
effect really, that leads to opening up corporations to being more vulnerable
or susceptible to allowing entry to these kinds of predators into their upper echelons.
Clive Boddy : Yes I agree
with that. I think one of the things that can perhaps constrain it is, there
are a number of large European companies that tend to recruit at the graduate
level, and then they keep the people within the company, over a long term
career. And through doing that they can get to know the people in greater
depth, the employees in greater depth and prevent them, the more abberant
personalities from getting to the top. But suddenly even those companies, who
do traditionally do that, are now starting to look outside their own ranks to
recruit people. And as soon as you start bringing in people who you don't know
the true character of, then of course there's the danger of bringing in
somebody whose too ruthless and too psychopathic.
Rob Kall: Are
there certain industries that tend to do that more than others?
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Clive Boddy: Oh
well, recruit and then keep the staff?
Rob Kall: No,
industries that will hire people without knowing who they're hiring.
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Rob Kall is an award winning journalist, inventor, software architect,
connector and visionary. His work and his writing have been featured in the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, CNN, ABC, the HuffingtonPost, Success, Discover and other media. He's given talks and workshops to Fortune
500 execs and national medical and psychological organizations, and pioneered
first-of-their-kind conferences in Positive Psychology, Brain Science and
Story. He hosts some of the world's smartest, most interesting and powerful
people on his Bottom Up Radio Show,
and founded and publishes one of the top Google- ranked progressive news and
opinion sites, OpEdNews.com
more detailed bio:
Rob Kall has spent his adult life as an awakener and empowerer-- first in the field of biofeedback, inventing products, developing software and a music recording label, MuPsych, within the company he founded in 1978-- Futurehealth, and founding, organizing and running 3 conferences: Winter Brain, on Neurofeedback and consciousness, Optimal Functioning and Positive Psychology (a pioneer in the field of Positive Psychology, first presenting workshops on it in 1985) and Storycon Summit Meeting on the Art Science and Application of Story-- each the first of their kind. Then, when he found the process of raising people's consciousness and empowering them to take more control of their lives one person at a time was too slow, he founded Opednews.com-- which has been the top search result on Google for the terms liberal news and progressive opinion for several years. Rob began his Bottom-up Radio show, broadcast on WNJC 1360 AM to Metro Philly, also available on iTunes, covering the transition of our culture, business and world from predominantly Top-down (hierarchical, centralized, authoritarian, patriarchal, big) to bottom-up (egalitarian, local, interdependent, grassroots, archetypal feminine and small.) Recent long-term projects include a book, Bottom-up-- The Connection Revolution, debillionairizing the planet and the Psychopathy Defense and Optimization Project.
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