Rob Kall: Really?
Clive Boddy: I
mean obviously the criminal ones who can't control their violent behavior, will
inevitably run against the law and end up in jail, but the corporate ones who
are more sophisticated, can out maneuver those who try and control them,
typically because, as I said, they have this plan that the rest of us don't
have. They use people like pawns on a chessboard, with people not even
realizing that they're being used and manipulated. And that gives them the
advantage.
Rob Kall: Do
psychopaths in corporations have anything to worry about in the next coming
years, that they're going to be found out and thrown out, or worse--
prosecuted, jailed, whatever is appropriate? Or are they pretty safe?
Clive Boddy:
Unfortunately they seem pretty safe at the moment. I mean there is a company in
the U.S. which offers psychopothy screening, and I have no idea how big the
company is, or how often they're called in to do that. But it does seem to be a
minority, a very small one, probably, of companies who are probably looking at
this seriously at the moment. And as you've said, a lot of the, unethical
behavior that's taking place in the banking sector hasn't been punished at all.
Rob Kall: Yes. So,
your final chapter is "Ethical issues involving corporate
psychopaths". What's that about?
Clive Boddy: It's
basically recognizing that there are ethical issues in controlling psychopaths
and managing psychopaths, and obviously, before they've done anything wrong,
they have just as much right to earn a living as the rest of us do. It's only
at the stage where they are being destructive that we have the ethical reason
to control their behavior. So there are ethical issues to deal with,
identifying them, measuring them, labeling them, certainly, and then managing
them as well. And that's more the province of philosophers and ethics than it
is my province, but people are looking at that in the philosophy journals and
areas like that.
Rob Kall: Are
they? That's good to know. I'll be looking out, maybe after we're done you can
point me in some directions there. I'm also interested in finding out about
that company that does the identification in corporations, I'd like to find out
what they're up too.
Clive Boddy: Yeah
I think that's Robert Hare'sl As far as I know, he's a shareholder in that
company.
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