Rob Kall: Good,
that's good to hear. So it sounds to me like what you're saying is the ethics
of this is that it's unethical to prevent the wolf from going into the hen
house.
Clive Boddy: I'm
sure that philosophers would say that yes.
Rob Kall: Until
the wolf bites off a hens head or something.
Clive Boddy:
Yeah, perhaps a slightly misleading analogy but yes.
Rob Kall: Hah,
what's misleading about that?
Clive Boddy: Because
when they go in the hen house they don't look like a wolf, so..
Rob Kall: That's
how you started your Ted Talk, what do psychopaths look like?
Clive Boddy: Well
they present, because they're not nervous, because they're not neurotic,
because and they don't have the emotional response that the rest of us do, they
come across as better than most people. So they're charming, they're
extroverted, they're pleasant to talk too, they seem socially interesting, they
can give plausible stories about themselves and their future and what they're
going to do for the company. So they look like ideal employees, and later on
when they get to the promotion interviews, they look like promotable employees
as well, so when they start to implement their divide and conquer tactics, and
their manipulation, and their conflict and bullying within organizations,
they're the only ones who remain emotionally detached, because they don't get
emotional. So if anyone was looking down on the situation from a senior, higher
up organizational position, it would look like the psychopath was actually the
only person who wasn't behaving irrationally. And therefore they'd look like
somebody who was promotable, or somebody who should be managing that situation.
So they gain both ways. They create the emotional trauma for other people, and
then can potentially benefit from it because they can manipulate themselves
into looking good compared to everyone else.
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