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Corporate Psychopaths and Bullies, Transcript of Interview with Clive Boddy, Author, part 2

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This is the second half of the transcript of this interview done on June 20,2013.  (You can read the first half of the interview here.)

Clive Boddy, Author, Corporate Psychopaths 

Rob Kall : It seems to me, that what you're describing is the collapse of community and connectedness among people in companies. Because if you have more of that then, these kinds of behaviors are going to be more easily identified and detected and talked about and brought to leadership.


Clive Boddy : Yes, I think that's a good point. Where you have more and more connections you've got greater chance of identifying them in the first place, and therefore restraining their influence, or restraining their gaining of management positions.


Rob Kall : It makes me think, and I call my show the Bottom Up Radio Show, most of the interviews I do are related to the idea that there's the transition from a top down to a bottom up world, our culture, our brains, and that people are getting more connected in some ways, but at the same time there are problems that are affecting our connections. Like globalization hurts community, consumer culture hurts community, and it seems to me that those kinds of things are having this side effect really, that leads to opening up corporations to being more vulnerable or susceptible to allowing entry to these kinds of predators into their upper echelons.


Clive Boddy : Yes I agree with that. I think one of the things that can perhaps constrain it is, there are a number of large European companies that tend to recruit at the graduate level, and then they keep the people within the company, over a long term career. And through doing that they can get to know the people in greater depth, the employees in greater depth and prevent them, the more abberant personalities from getting to the top. But suddenly even those companies, who do traditionally do that, are now starting to look outside their own ranks to recruit people. And as soon as you start bringing in people who you don't know the true character of, then of course there's the danger of bringing in somebody whose too ruthless and too psychopathic.


Rob Kall: Are there certain industries that tend to do that more than others?


Clive Boddy: Oh well, recruit and then keep the staff?


Rob Kall: No, industries that will hire people without knowing who they're hiring.

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