Marina: / Right, it's very much like top down decision making. Yeah, very much, because there could be a moment--I'm trying to be careful in what I'm saying to make it clear that there might be moments where a group of people decide that certain people might make decisions in certain instances. And if we democratically decide together that, for example, you know I've worked on a legal team quite a bit in Occupy Movement, and there are moments when a lot of people are arrested, you decide ahead of time that the legal team might make certain decisions. And that's democratically decided, so even though it's a small group of people making a decision without consulting with everyone, because they can't consult with everyone, it's not vertical.
Rob: Right.
Marina: It can get tricky, but no I would simply verticalism--saying that its top down is fine.
Rob: And I've gone through these words: "collective."
Marina: In the working together, coming together sense of collective?
Rob: Okay?
Marina: And I'm going to need to go to Occupy soon, too.
Rob: Okay. Then, there's the word "autonomy." You use that word and it is used, I think, with some specificity. I'm just trying to get the language here.
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