W.B.: Well never tell a court, lawyers defending or prosecuting, that the original data came from NSA and so what that does is that means that the defendant doesn't get the real right to discovery and challenging discovery and that's a violation of the constitutional rights and also what it is is fundamentally perjury to the court. So I called that, my label for that is a planned programmed perjury policy operated by the Department of Justice of the United States.
R.K.: Wow. So let me just recap this. So they use the data, the meta-data and the actual data that they collected from Americans in the United States, violating the constitution, right so far?
W.B.: Rob, I would point out that in order to go out to this parking space or this parking lot, wait for a given truck to pull in and then do the arrest, you have to have more than meta-data, you have got to have content. You're actually collecting all of the content and are still lying about that, too. They are not facing the fact that, talk about only doing meta-data but they're getting content too.
R.K.: Okay so they're looking at content, they're listening to the phone calls, they're checking the emails, they're looking at the easy passes, the bridge pass, electronic bridge passes and what have you, and they're pulling all that together and then they tell the police what to do and this parallel construction, what you're talking about is a cover, really, right?
W.B.: That's right.
R.K.: This is where they throw together something that they claim is the way they knew about it whereas the real way they knew about it was using this un-constitutionally collected data. Is that what happens?
W.B.: Yes because they can't introduce that into the court because it was acquired without a warrant, so if you brought that in it would be thrown out.
R.K.: What would happen if a lawyer asked routinely in every case, was NSA information used?
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