R.K.: Wow. So you went to the House Intelligence Committee and you told them there's a problem and what kind of response did you get when it was brought to Pelosi and who was the republican who was in charge there again? What's his name?
W.B.: Well Porter Goss was the chair but the staffer that I went to was the republican staffer, that was Diane Roark -
R.K.: Diane Roark.
W.B.: and she went to Porter Goss and Nancy Pelosi and they referred her to General Hayden and he just told her to keep quiet about it, you know? That's all. So it was like, keep quiet, hush up and go about your business, don't pay any attention to this. Like pay no attention to the man behind the curtain, we're only doing secret things that you wouldn't like if you knew about them so just go away and be happy.
R.K.: So would you speculate that that's the kind of treatment at best that Ed Snowden would have gotten?
W.B.: Actually that would have been great if he got that kind of treatment but what he would have gotten was something like, well I mean for the exposure that he gave out he couldn't stick around in this country because he would have been treated like Chelsea Manning, put in isolation and perhaps going through various forms of torture like isolation.
R.K.: But let's say that he took the moderate approach that you did as a concerned loyal American and didn't take data and just went to the Intelligence Committee and said I have got a problem, there's a problem happening in NSA, I want to tell you about it. Which is what people have said that he should have done, going through the system, which is what you did, right?
W.B.: That's right. And when we went through that system doing that, all that did was bring us to their attention and then when it got leaked they blamed us and tried to frame us with - the Department of Justice tried to frame us. They sent the FBI at us and try to intimidate us and keep us quiet and over several years they attempted to indict us three separate times.
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