Rob: So it's one major issue is getting away from centralization--
BB: Getting away from centralization, there I see both, you know I'm a left-winger but there I see both capitalism and centralist socialism as a problem. You know that and not one that can be gotten rid of by tinkering, and I think most people in this area tinker. I don't think tinkering will solve, I think we need to rebuild community, I don't think we have community for the most part anymore. I think we need to rebuild community and assume a kind of collective responsibility for ourselves and for each other that does not vest in anyone else, not business and certainly not helping professionals. Helping professionals can have a role to play, but they should not be above the community. They should not be dictating what happens to people. They should not be the main people giving help.
Rob: You talk about an idea, you talk about the challenge of the collective versus the individual. Could you talk about that?
BB: I want something that balances the collective and the individual. So, you know, I do not see these as necessarily in opposition. You know there will be times when they are, but what I think, you know what I think the ideal is to work toward a good a balance as possible where we take care of, together, collective rights, while respecting the differences and separate needs of individuals. And I think if we can't do this, if we err on one side or the other, we create a kind of abomination.
Rob: How do you do that?
BB: By holding these as non-negotiable absolute values.
Rob: What is values?
BB: The values are, our connectedness and respecting our connectedness and respecting the individual. And that's where I like the commons thinkers because the common thinkers hold those two together. Those two that everyone else has tended to see as diametric opposites. They don't have to be diametric opposites. And they aren't in nature, diametric opposites. They are only in our own heads diametric opposites.
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