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Interview Transcript: Thom Hartmann on Corporate Personhood and How the Supreme Court Justices Have Become Kings

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Rob: Hi, welcome to the Rob Kall Bottom Up Radio Shaw WMJC 1360AM, out of Washington Township reaching Metro Philly and South Jersey. My guest tonight is Thom Hartmann. Thom Hartmann, it's hard to imagine you not knowing who Thom Hartmann is because he's such a presence all over the place. He's the top progressive radio talk show host, he's got a television show on RTTV and he's got a couple dozen books out. His newest one is called the Thom Hartmann Reader and whether you've read one or two or a bunch of Thom's books or you never read them before, this is a great place to start. Thom is one of the most -- how do I make this a superlative? He is a renaissance man. Of the many brilliant people I've had the gift of meeting, he's one of the brightest, most wide and diverse people I've ever met and this is an overview of his writings for the last couple decades and you really should get a look at it.

We're going to talk today about some of his different diverse ideas but one of the reasons that I also got together with Thom is to talk about Corporate Personhood because it is one of the biggest topics in the Occupy Movement. So I wanted to get some new thinking from Thom on that and there is a chapter in the book on Corporate Personhood; Walmart is not a person. So welcome to the show, Thom, great to have you back.

Thom: Well thank you, Rob. It's great to be here. It's always great to talk with you and thank you for your very kind words on the introduction and please forgive my cat. My attack cat, he's having a bad day.

Rob: You have some wild cats there too, I think.  

Thom: This is Higgins.  He's been a character on our show for years. He attacks anybody who gets within 10 feet of him except me so. Anyhow, to Walmart is not a person. Walmart is not a person, repeat after me. That's the mantra though.

Rob: Well, you wrote this book, Unequal Protection, which got into all the details about Corporate Personhood and I remember when you were working on that book and you sent me an advance draft of it, I was like, "What is Corporate Personhood?" I didn't know anybody who knew about it. It's kind of like...

Thom: Everybody said that back then.

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Rob Kall has spent his adult life as an awakener and empowerer-- first in the field of biofeedback, inventing products, developing software and a music recording label, MuPsych, within the company he founded in 1978-- Futurehealth, and founding, organizing and running 3 conferences: Winter Brain, on Neurofeedback and consciousness, Optimal Functioning and Positive Psychology (a pioneer in the field of Positive Psychology, first presenting workshops on it in 1985) and Storycon Summit Meeting on the Art Science and Application of Story-- each the first of their kind.  Then, when he found the process of raising people's consciousness and empowering them to take more control of their lives  one person at a time was too slow, he founded which has been the top search result on Google for the terms liberal news and progressive opinion for several years. Rob began his Bottom-up Radio show, broadcast on WNJC 1360 AM to Metro Philly, also available on iTunes, covering the transition of our culture, business and world from predominantly Top-down (hierarchical, centralized, authoritarian, patriarchal, big)  to bottom-up (egalitarian, local, interdependent, grassroots, archetypal feminine and small.) Recent long-term projects include a book, Bottom-up-- The Connection Revolution, debillionairizing the planet and the Psychopathy Defense and Optimization Project. 

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