This is the second part of my more than 2.5 hour interview with M. E. Thomas, author of Confessions of a Sociopath.
Rob Kall: Okay, so, we lost the signal and now we're back. I wanted to talk about what you described as your weak sense of self, what's that about? You there?
M.E. Thomas: Yes.
Rob Kall: Okay. So, we're back in the recording. I wanted to talk about your weak sense of self that you've described. What, what's that about?
M.E. Thomas: You know to me, a weak sense of self is that I have a very fluid sense of self. I don't really identify, or even really think about myself in terms of, you know I am female, or I am this particular race, or this particular age, or even religion, Mormon, or a law professor or smart. I don't, I don't necessarily spend a lot of time thinking about myself, and in terms of how, what I do or say reflects on my concept of self.
Rob Kall: Okay. I was talking to a friend of mine about this interview, he's kind of a Jungian approach kind of guy, and he predicted that you, that sociopaths don't have much of a sense of self. And in a sense it's almost like they have no, they have little super ego and a lot of id, that their shadow is, is what is expressed. Way more than the average empath or other person, non sociopaths. Any thoughts about that?
M.E. Thomas: That sounds right. I, I'm not, it sounds like as knowledgeable about these things. But that, that basically sounds right.
Rob Kall: Do you have anything to say about it? What about the shadow part?
M.E. Thomas: The shadow part, yeah you could say shadow part. I mean, I, I kind of don't understand a little bit what its like to feel the other way about things. I think that to a large extent, even being able to identify that I have a weak sense of self, you know how do I know that about myself. I think it's because I notice that it's very easy for me to be a chameleon. You know it's very easy for me to adapt to other people, and to you know, let's say in a sort of friendly seduction type way, for me to become the person that the other person wants to see, to be a mirror. It's not difficult to do those sorts of things.