So, I, I definitely see that. In terms of, society though, you know we know from, our study of ecosystems, that predators are very important right? And that even though we may not personally want to kill a deer, that it's important for us to kill deer. Or if we're not doing it have predators do it, otherwise the deer are just going to keep reproducing and reproducing until they, they basically kill themselves because they've overpopulated their environment, and ruined their environment, and now it doesn't sustain anything for anybody.
So this is sort of an Ayn Randian, Ayn Randian thought that having people who are naturally aggressive, and naturally a little bit more cold hearted, and ruthless, and calculating, and trying to take advantage of areas of exploitation, and situations where they think there might be arbitrage. Whether it's in a business economic sense, or in a personal sense. Having these people is, sort of beneficial, it's like exercising. Exercising tears down you're muscles, but then the muscles build back stronger.
And so I, I think that's sort of one of the best justifications for, you know sociopaths, although they do resemble predators, these traits are important to have in a society. It doesn't mean that people like being the victim of you know a tiger attack. And there are certain things that people can do to protect themselves if they're really concerned about it.
But I really don't think that the risk is so high of being the victim, particularly the victim of violence from a sociopath. And the other stuff, you know, relationships, broken hearts, somebody gets a promotion and you didn't get it. I mean this stuff happens with empaths too. Empaths can also break somebody's heart, empaths can also maneuver in a business situation and take a promotion through the use of, you know possibly not do solely demerit tactics. You know manipulation or going golfing or marrying the boss's daughter or whatever else it is. These things just happen. Life isn't fair.
And so I don't, I don't know how much harm sociopaths are actually causing to one individuals life. I don't think that it's a significant danger.
Rob Kall: Yet, you say in the book, "I see relationships with people in terms of possessions or exploits," that's pretty rough, that's"
M.E. Thomas: *chuckles* You know you say that, and I understand some other people don't like it. But actually, one of my friends who is the, the friend I've had longest, I refer to her as Anne in the book. She, she says that she really prides herself on being competent and useful. And so to her, the very fact that I continue our friendship is this affirmation that she is competent and useful. Because she knows that basically the minute that she ceases to be useful to me, that I'm going to withdraw, you know, or even withdraw completely from the relationship.
So she's perfectly fine with it. She actually, you know, she, she sees it as being a compliment. That even though I say that I consider her a possession, and that I must think she's a valuable possession if I, you know, call her or visit her, or otherwise engage with her as often as I do.
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