Rob Kall: Well yeah, he has a reputation for being non emotional.
M.E. Thomas: Yes, exactly, he's very, he's very unemotional, very rational. And I think a lot of people weren't expecting him, he's a little bit like Robert McNamara actually. In the sense that he's willing to do very unpopular things, if he thinks it's a good idea. And he's also willing to change his mind, he's changed his mind several times throughout his administration. Which suggests that he's not, sort of monolithic about his belief, and you know a narcissist; I don't know if a narcissist would change his mind. Especially about something as crazy as Guantanemo yes, Guantanemo and no Guantanemo.
Rob Kall: So what else, what other reasons do you consider that, that suggest he might be a sociopath?
M.E. Thomas: Oh, so I mean just listing them off. His charm, he's a little bit, he's definitely manipulative, and he's really good at it. He's very charming that way, sort of glib superficially so. I think in the first debate with Mitt Romney, his failure to perform well in the debate, one could see that as a slip of the mask for whatever reason, he wasn't able to keep the mask up. Maybe because he wasn't feeling well. But I think that a lot of people were surprised by the stark contrast of his performance in that debate versus the, the President Obama that they had sort of come to know.
He is, cold and calculating. He is, largely unemotional, it doesn't really, I mean he talks about empathy, when he talked about the children dying at the school massacre, he did cry. But I don't know. So, it's hard to say, I, he definitely has sociopathic characteristics. I don't know if you, I don't know enough about him to say whether or not he could be diagnosed as a sociopath or not.
Rob Kall: But you didn't think that of George Bush? George W Bush.
M.E. Thomas: I don't think that as much with him. I don't know if it's just because I have a slight prejudice for. It didn't really seem like he was that cold and calculating, it seemed like he was more a puppet was my impression. I didn't really think that he was the one moving the strings necessarily; I thought that he was a little bit more of a figurehead. I don't know if it's because his Vice President was Dick Cheney, and that was my impression. But I, I didn't think that even the things that he said, or his decisions were necessarily coming from him. A lot of the time.
Rob Kall: Okay. Now, people encounter sociopaths and they don't know it, and the next thing they know they're getting their head screwed with. Do you have any tips on how to tell is a persons a sociopath right away? I mean you go to a store, you talk to an insurance agent, you go to a fundraiser and you talk to a politician, you do business with somebody, you, is there a way to tell? Are there ways?
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