Now, when you have power like that you're going to get psychopaths and sociopaths joining the police. They flock to power. This is the trouble with any kind of power. It attracts people who want to use it and who get thrills from using it no matter what it does to other people. And so that's why the neocons are all for war; they have no remorse. If you look at the Twenty-First Century, Rob, what has the United States done? They've slaughtered by murder, it's maimed, it's displaced millions of people in seven countries.
I have not heard one word of remorse from any public figure, from any General, from the New York Times, from the Washington Post, from anybody except for some internet writers. So, that's the whole problem with power and I agree totally with you. We have a nation run by sociopaths and psychopaths.
R.K.: So what do we do about it?
PCR: You know, it doesn't look like you can do anything about it. The only real opportunity is third party. We saw recently in Europe what is said to be the right wing, anti-immigrant parties. They prevailed in the EU elections. They got the most votes in France and England. Of course, they're being demonized in the Western press. It's racist or something, but what it really is about everybody has given up on the EU. They're sick to death of it. They're tired of the Americans dominating their life and so they voted for the only alternative which is the third party. Now we saw something like this happen the other day when Eric Cantor got defeated in Virginia.
Now, this is really stunning. They didn't even bother to put on a campaign because this is the Israel lobby's favorite guy. I mean, who has ever heard of an Israel lobby candidate going down to defeat? It's never happened in American history and he gets beat by some college professor running on a fifty thousand dollar budget. So, it can be at some point people finally realize voting democrat, voting republican, it doesn't lead anywhere. Just like the British finally realized, hey, voting Labour or voting Tory doesn't lead anywhere.
Or just like the French realized that, hey, voting socialist or voting conservative doesn't go anywhere and so let's vote for somebody else. So that's one way. Now, the question is though whether these parties will be tolerated, whether the leaders will be assassinated, physically assassinated, or will they be assassinated in the press like Dominique Strauss-Kahn was. You just start a campaign against him because the establishment controls the press, not third parties.
So it doesn't-- there is no real guarantee that the people, even when they vote third party, can succeed in replacing government because the power structure raised against these third parties is just overwhelming. They can be destroyed in the press, any intelligence service can assassinate them. They are unaccountable. Nobody would ever be able to do anything about it, even if you had a movie of it happening. It would simply be seized and declared to be a national security secret. So, it's not clear anything can be done.
That's why it's so often the case, once things start going bad, Rob, they end up in collapse and what changes things is collapse.
R.K.: What does that look like?
PCR: Well, in the United States it would look pretty bad. There would be massive economic disruption, food shortages, break down in all public services, employment would cease, transportation disrupted, food deliveries disrupted, riots. All this well armed paramilitary force that the United States has now created, you know, we've got the education department with guns and ammunition, the post office, the social security administration, the agriculture department, all of these people have bought huge numbers of hollow point bullets, sub machine guns. We've got the local police with tanks and armored personnel carriers and all kinds of military equipment including helicopters and night vision and you would just... and you have a well armed population. It would just be chaos and death and destruction and people starving to death. Particularly if the dollar collapses.
Right now, people don't have, other than the mega rich, they don't have any slack in their budget. They can barely get their housing paid, their food paid, their gasoline bills paid, their utilities paid and all of the sudden your prices go up? What would they do? What would happen to Americans if gasoline price goes from four dollars a gallon to eight, to ten, to twelve? They can't even, even if they had jobs, they can't commute.
So the whole thing is dangerous and this is why I think it's... this is why I speak out because it's irresponsible for government to assume it's all powerful now and forever. That nothing can ever go wrong against it, that it would always prevail and it can smash up it's own people as much as it wants because they don't have the alternative, but it will never get so bad that they can't get by and as long as they can get by they will all accept what the government does.
So if you have that kind of attitude you're not aware of unintended consequences, you're not aware of how things can blow up in your face and you can bring down the whole society just from trying to exercise power.
R.K.: Where will corporations be if this kind of thing happens to the US, if the dollar is no longer the currency? Corporations are transnational now. They have most of their money in overseas banks and do you think corporations are anticipating this or planning for it or maybe even helping to make it happen?
PCR: Well, if they're American corporations, they're subject to American laws and if they are earning profits abroad they're paying foreign taxes and get a credit for that in the US, but they're still subject to taxes. And if America goes down the tubes they will, too. I mean, the Chinese don't need them now, the Chinese have all the technology and the business know-how and they'll just be-- they won't be protected by a powerful government and they'll be at the mercy of the countries in which their plant and equipment is located.
It'll be up to those countries. They'll decide what to do and if the business interests say we've had enough of these people, we don't want them as competitors, they'll simply be confiscated, the way we do people.
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