Now, Wolfowitz went further and said that the United States had to prevent the rise of any other country, that includes China, that could in any way with American hegemony over the world. This is the neocon doctrine, that we are the indispensable country, the exceptional people, that everyone else is dispensable and unexceptionable. In other words, it's really an assertion of the Nazi doctrine. I know you don't like that word but the Germans were-
R.K.: No, that word is fine. Some people over use it. So how is an assertion,
PCR: Well the Germans-
R.K.: How is a neocon doctrine an assertion of the Nazi doctrine?
PCR: The German doctrine was that the Germans were the ubermenschen, the superior, the above men, the upper men and most of the rest of humanity with a few exceptions like the British were untermensch. That means the under men. So it was a claim Germans had of Aryan superiority and the neoconservative claim is that we are the exceptional and indispensable people and that gives us priority over the rest of the world and that's the reason we have been chosen by history to prevail over the world. So, if you are chosen by history to prevail then whatever you do to prevent the rise of other countries is legitimate and that's the way the US government has seen it since the second Clinton term and through the Bush terms and through the Obama terms, that whatever we do to maintain and extend our hegemony has already been approved by history. Their complete collapse proves it.
R.K.: Well wait,
PCR: This is not me, it's what they say. You can read it in the doctrines and I'm not saying-
R.K.: Okay. But let me ask you this. You know, I was going to talk to you about American exceptionalism anyway and this seems like a good place to introduce that idea. Don't most nations have a form of exceptionalism? And how bad is-- or how would you assess American exceptionalism and where that fits in with this idea of neocons having this Nazi mindset?
PCR: Well, I don't think anyone has ever claimed it. The Germans, the neocons and I think for a short period of time the Japanese had that idea, that they were the Rising Sun, but these are not world wide, or normal types of thinking, I don't think Canada has ever had it, or Australia, or Brazil, or any country.
Now, the British had an empire and all the Europeans who had empires saw themselves as superior to the colonies, to the people in the colonies, but they didn't actually think they were superior to other empires or other European peoples. I don't know of any claim the British ever made that they were chosen by history to prevail over the world, or the French of having any made any such claim.
R.K.: Now when the neocons make that claim, do they cite some source or some religious aspects or entities? How do they claim?
PCR: Well they, are you familiar with the book, The End of History, what what his name [Francis Fukuyama], he wrote that, that was one of the first expressions, public expressions, of it and it sort of historical based. I hate to use these kinds of analogies because I don't know how correct they are, but you mean, Marx sort of said that history had chosen the proletariat and the proletariat was chosen by history over the capitalists.
So, there had been that type of thing and The End of History-- basically what it meant was the collapse of the Soviet Union proved there was no other socio economic system that was viable except American capitalism so we had been chosen by history now as the only path and this was the way he expressed this neocon idea. The neocons have turned it into a military formulation with the Wolfowitz doctrine.
This is publicly available, you can go Google it, the Wolfowitz doctrine. It's an official American- in fact it is the doctrine that determines our foreign policy and has determined it since Clinton attacked Serbia. So it really is just a claim that since we are the one that whatever we do to prevent the rise of others who might interfere with this exceptional, indispensable role that we have, we are to prevent it.
That's what the Wolfowitz doctrine asserts. I quote from it in some recent columns and it's very revealing. It essentially tells Russia and China that, no, you can't rise to any extent that you would get in our way and so that's the reason for Ukraine. Ukraine long part of Russia, it was separated when Soviet Union collapsed, largely this was Washington's doing. That Washington, if not instigated, supported and made possible the separation of Ukraine from Russia. It had been part of Russia for centuries.
Much of the Ukraine is former Russian territories that were added to the Ukraine by communist party leaders. For example, Crimea was added by Khrushchev in 1954. Khrushchev was a Ukrainian. He was known as the "Butcher of Ukraine" and I think, to make amends for all of the people he had slaughtered, he gave Crimea to Ukraine, but it didn't make any difference because Ukraine and Russia were constituent parts of the Soviet Union.
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