Clive Boddy : No, not at
the moment, I'm just doing my academic research.
Rob Kall : Okay, what
kind of response have you had from businesses in terms of these ideas of
screening out psychopaths?
Clive Boddy : Limited
response so far, I had an interesting presentation a few weeks ago. When I
normally present on corporate psychopaths to people, around forty percent of
people think they've worked with this kind of person. Recently, as I said, I
presented to a group of HR directors, and the interesting difference there was
that all of them thought they worked with this kind of person. And I suppose because
of the nature of their jobs, where they're dealing with senior people and
recruiting people and interviewing people and assessing them, and they're bound
to come across them more often because they come across more people than the
rest of us do. And they were very interested in the whole thing, and very
worried about it as well. Because from their own experience they found it
incredibly difficult to manage these people, and especially when they were
higher levels than the HR directors in the organization, which often they were.
We're just doing some research, with those HR directors to discover a bit more
about this, and how they've coped with the psychopaths or potential
psychopaths.
Rob Kall : Do the HR
directors screen out psychopaths? Are they doing anything at all to keep them
out? Whether its intuitively or face judgment, or is there anything that
they're doing now?
Clive Boddy : To the best
of my knowledge no, they're not looking for psychopathy in screening people. I
believe one or two armed forces, and one or two police forces arouund the world
try to screen out psychopaths for obvious reasons. But as far as I know they're
the only organizations that do it. You mentioned that corporate psychopaths and
the global financial crisis. There was a report in the UK newspaper, after that
came out, that the corporate bank, or at least one corporate bank in the UK was
screening them in rather than screening the man. So the reporter was talking about his theory to a friend of his,
who was a corporate banker, and the banker said to him, "We used a
psychopathy measure to recruit new employees." So you can use it,
preferably to screen them out, but its incredible to hear that they were using
it to screen them in. And I've been tracking some subjects through that
research but I haven't got any yet.
Rob Kall : Term pack of
wolves comes to mind.
Clive Boddy : It's
unbelievable yes. It's mind boggling.
Rob Kall : It's hard to
imagine somebody would intentionally hire psychopaths.
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