Rob Kall : So you start
your book with an introduction which is the same as the title, Corporate Psychopaths as Organization Destroyers. What do you mean by
organization destroyers?
Clive Boddy : Well just
as it sounds basically. What I've done is research the effect they have on
other employees, and on the organizations that employ them. By using a psychopathic
measure to indentify their presence in organizations, and them looking at companies
where they're present compared to where they're not present. And all the key
indicators that I've look at so far increase in their presence. So conflict and
bullying go up enormously, work load goes up slightly, counterproductive work
behavior goes up, because people take revenge against what they see as the bad
behavior of the company, in the form of their psychopathic manager.
Employee emotional well being goes
down, so they don't feel like they are cared for by the company, and they don't
feel as if they fit in there because of the actions of their psychopathic
manager again. Perceptions of organizational justice and ethics, and management
credibility and trustworthy all go down in their presence because of their
orientation is towards themselves rather than towards the company. It's toward
themselves rather than towards other employees. And it's towards themselves
rather than towards the customers. So the customers get neglected, the
employees get neglected, and the company itself gets neglected. That's one way
they have a destructive effect on the organization that employees them. So it's
a long term series of gradually, increasingly bad organizational outcomes, which
ultimately, I think, will probably result in the disintegration of the company.
Rob Kall : And there has
been other research, I think it's Kiel , that's done some research on this,
that's shown that internal assets, for one, is much less when a psychopath runs
the company.
Clive Boddy : I haven't
actually heard of that piece of research and I usually try and keep up to date
on everything that's published on psychopaths.
Rob Kall : I'm not sure
if that's exactly right, but I'm pretty sure that's along the lines of what he
came up with, he apparently asked a lot employees to describe characteristics
of their bosses, and the ones that had characteristics that made them look like
psychopaths, had that result. It kind of makes sense if you're destroying the
company, that it's going to make less money or lose money though.
Clive Boddy : It makes
perfect sense, I'll have to look up that piece of research, Kyle you say?
Rob Kall : I'll send you
the link to it when we're done. And
it'll be on the page for the podcast as well.
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