In fact when they asked the jurors in the second trial, why did you convict him on it, they said look we listened to the tapes and there was no answer to those tapes. Not a single tape was played showing that those tapes were wrong or taken out of context, which I personally know aren't true because there were those tapes and so that's what happened there. I turned it over to another set of lawyers and the government streamlined their case.
R.K.: Alright now we're running out of time and I want to cover one other topic with you. I've been, in the last week I've interviewed two NSA Whistleblowers
S.A.: Yes sir.
R.K.: William Binney and Thomas Drake. Thomas Drake was mentioned by Ed Snowden as somebody who inspired him to become a Whistleblower. What they both mentioned which is very disturbing is NSA is sharing their US Metadata of all those phone calls and emails and what have you with law enforcement people in the United States, helping them to identify potential people to prosecute, helping them to come up with evidence, and then they're doing something what they call something like parallel development or something like that, never saying that they're using the metadata, just using it. Is this something that the Fed's attorneys are aware of and are dealing with in anyway?
S.A.: First and foremost I can tell you, most of us who practice in state courts are not aware of this at all. The only reason I am aware of it is because I have been following a little bit of this in the papers but the extent of it number one we're never going to know, two it's extremely troubling, extremely troubling, the whole purpose of the American Experiment if you recall was to get away from an over-zealous monarchy coming in and quartering troops here in America and spying on it's own citizens.
We've gone full circle here. Not only, and this is even a little different than that because now the government is printing it's own money as much as it wants and can spend as much as it wants to do that. It's very troubling, especially to me, a criminal defense lawyer. People always say to me as a criminal defense lawyer, you defend criminals, I said no, what I am doing is protecting the Constitution and this cannot be, if they're using resources on a Federal level to investigate individuals that they don't know, there's no oversight, there's no warrant procedure, they're just doing it and then turning it over so you can prosecute them, that is no longer a republic, that's no longer a democracy, that's a monarchy that is spying on it's own citizens.
And to call it data collection is ridiculous. Like I said to somebody the other day, maybe I should use this as a defense in a stalking case, no my client wasn't in the bushes stalking her, he was data-collecting. Nobody would believe that. And the government shouldn't be involved in that and we shouldn't as citizens put up with that.
R.K.: So, given that these NSA people are saying that the information is being given to law enforcement, would it be wise to ask in every single case whether NSA data was used at all?
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