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Conyers Tells Rob Kall: Impeachment Not Off the Table; A You Tube Video

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Update at 7:30 PM EST 01-29-08 After listening to the interview about half a dozen times, in addition to transcribing it (with the help of Matt Stoller) one line really hit me-- one that I really didn't respond to, or fully process at the time of the interview. I've hilighted it in red, in the transcript. And I'll discuss it at the end of the article, on the third page.

At the invitation only Progressive media summit, held by Senate Democratic Steering and Outreach Committee, Rob Kall interviewed John Conyers on impeachment. Uber Blogger Matt Stoller video recorded most of the conversation and posted it to youtube, commenting,

You get to see a fascinating and very human interaction between a highly intelligent activist and a sitting Congressman with immense power who is vaguely irritated at having to answer questions, but also intensely interested in answering them.

Watch the video here at Matt Stoller's Openleft.com 

or, sometimes, the video runs very slowly on Matt's site. If so, scroll down and watch it below.  

I came prepared to discuss impeachment, having updated my article, Rebuttals to Reasons NOT to Impeach.

Here's the transcript of the conversation. Matt Stoller transcribed the part he videotaped, but I recorded the conversation from its start, so I"ve put them together and corrected a few minor transcription errors. Please make sure to read my comments on the third page-- my attempt to offer some additional context and a positive slant on Conyers words. (The brown print is the part that was not on the video.)

Rob Kall: You know, you just gave the talking points that all the members of congress use on why not to impeach-- that you want to stay focused on work, but I talked to ELizabeth Holtzman about it, and she did it (she was involved in the impeachment hearings of Richard Nixon.)

And she told me that it didn't hold up the congress at all. They had a room. They held hearings. The way I see it, the way the congress has been framing impeachment is the target of getting it to the senate and the whole point of impeachment is that it's a tool that lets you get around executive privilege. Right? YOu don't have the problem then (of Bush's refusal to allow people to testify after being subpoenaed.)

John Conyers: Dear friend. We've got two impeachments, the first time in American history. We gotta have two impeachments... (more transcript after the video)

I had some trouble accessing the youtube vide on Matt Stoller's openleft.com, so I've also embedded the video below. But please check out his commentary here


John Conyers: Two impeachments rather than one. They've either got to be simultaneous or seriatic.

Rob Kall: Seriatic would be the way to do it. First Cheney, then Bush. History teaches us, let's start with Gonzales. We went to Gonzales, and he's gone. They went to Agnew, he left. Then they went to Nixon, and they started doing hearings on him. It never went to a vote in the Senate. And I don't think it ever would. All we need to do is get the hearings opened up where they can't say 'sorry, executive privilege, then you've got the tools, which is what Impeachment is, it's a tool.

John Conyers: You know who's been in more impeachment hearings than anybody in the House or Senate?

Rob Kall: You?

John Conyers: Right.

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Rob Kall has spent his adult life as an awakener and empowerer-- first in the field of biofeedback, inventing products, developing software and a music recording label, MuPsych, within the company he founded in 1978-- Futurehealth, and founding, organizing and running 3 conferences: Winter Brain, on Neurofeedback and consciousness, Optimal Functioning and Positive Psychology (a pioneer in the field of Positive Psychology, first presenting workshops on it in 1985) and Storycon Summit Meeting on the Art Science and Application of Story-- each the first of their kind.  Then, when he found the process of raising people's consciousness and empowering them to take more control of their lives  one person at a time was too slow, he founded Opednews.com-- which has been the top search result on Google for the terms liberal news and progressive opinion for several years. Rob began his Bottom-up Radio show, broadcast on WNJC 1360 AM to Metro Philly, also available on iTunes, covering the transition of our culture, business and world from predominantly Top-down (hierarchical, centralized, authoritarian, patriarchal, big)  to bottom-up (egalitarian, local, interdependent, grassroots, archetypal feminine and small.) Recent long-term projects include a book, Bottom-up-- The Connection Revolution, debillionairizing the planet and the Psychopathy Defense and Optimization Project. 

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Great job Rob, just great ,like I always say OpEd ... by tjb on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 10:31:53 AM
'Conyers: Let me just say this to you because ... by Mark Sashine on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 10:33:42 AM
Did you watch the video or read the script. Keep i... by Rob Kall on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 11:01:43 AM
I must be drinking the wrong stuff altogether. So... by Crystal Purcell on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 10:22:18 PM
 "Well, if we democrats are that stupid,... by rhalfhill on Wednesday, Jan 30, 2008 at 6:18:31 AM
No I can't be glad that he is running the Judi... by Gregory Wonderwheel on Wednesday, Jan 30, 2008 at 7:28:42 PM
The man is incoherent, and he doesn't even rea... by Nadia on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 6:08:05 PM
If you think that you weren't listening. ... by Brett Paatsch on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 8:58:20 PM
There is an even worse possibility.  Kenya is... by rhalfhill on Wednesday, Jan 30, 2008 at 6:40:10 AM
With Conyers they are useless. He has already said... by Gregory Wonderwheel on Wednesday, Jan 30, 2008 at 7:43:31 PM
Brettp, your questions are wel... by Brett Paatsch on Thursday, Jan 31, 2008 at 11:45:17 AM
So, what ARE his reasons for not pursuing impeachm... by Pixie on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 11:00:43 AM
Don't waste your legitimate feeling of frustra... by Brett Paatsch on Thursday, Jan 31, 2008 at 11:51:13 AM
Bob, you are certainly to be commended for your co... by Mark Watterson on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 11:34:08 AM
Senility, egotism and primal fear is a bad co... by Michael Fury on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 11:39:35 AM
Excellent work Rob. However, I must disagree with... by Munich on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 12:11:27 PM
looks  like most of the commenters above feel... by Mark Sashine on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 1:09:11 PM
I am so mad after reading this. At Conyers, that i... by Kathryn Smith on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 1:14:45 PM
Having impeachment not off the table is not the sa... by Bill Cain on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 1:16:02 PM
conyers alludes impeachment would hurt the Dems ch... by Better World Order on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 1:22:56 PM
Conyers is putting politics before what is best fo... by Kathlyn Stone on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 1:27:03 PM
 I am happy I am not the only one who wanted ... by Mark Sashine on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 1:34:56 PM
. Emotions are understandable (of course) but we n... by Brett Paatsch on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 9:06:07 PM
For those to young to remember the song it goes li... by tjb on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 1:40:02 PM
You're lookin' mighty good in that suit. T... by Cheryl Biren on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 1:40:52 PM
where's the editor when you need him ?"On... by Tony Forest on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 1:41:22 PM
Get a grip folks. Imagine what you would be like i... by GeoRip on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 1:57:04 PM
I was respectful and courteous to congressman cony... by Rob Kall on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 2:08:30 PM
besides those who just get their kicks out of crit... by Cheryl Biren on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 3:22:35 PM
Good question. Nothing I presume or we'd have ... by Brett Paatsch on Wednesday, Jan 30, 2008 at 1:59:30 AM
I'd like to see Rep. Conyers's office rece... by JonmarkP on Wednesday, Jan 30, 2008 at 5:03:29 PM
I know I could not have engaged him nearly as well... by Gregory Wonderwheel on Wednesday, Jan 30, 2008 at 7:23:30 PM
My feellings go back and forth over the issue of b... by Crystal Purcell on Thursday, Jan 31, 2008 at 11:20:34 PM
If Mr. Conyers has been threatened, or his family ... by Charlie L on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 1:58:28 PM
I am always mind-boggled by that mere statement. T... by Kathryn Smith on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 2:05:52 PM
Was it just me or did I hear a tone of, "who ... by Steve Slocum on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 2:16:12 PM
Last week I happened to watch Pelosi answering que... by Mr M on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 8:15:44 PM
It is amazing what we see here:  a politico c... by Mark Sashine on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 2:16:41 PM
I'd say conyers is more like an attorney under... by Rob Kall on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 2:34:09 PM
'There's no great bravery in calling names... by Mark Sashine on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 2:46:19 PM
I'm not ready to write Conyers off. He's t... by Rob Kall on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 3:19:56 PM
"I'm not ready to write Conyers off. He&#... by Cheryl Biren on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 4:02:32 PM
Rob, the interests of the people of this nation ar... by boomerang on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 10:14:05 PM
 ROB I KNOW I AM NEW TO THIS, AND YOU DID A G... by RICHARD SHADE on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 2:31:13 PM
......won't save us from what is to come. It m... by Tony Forest on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 2:37:04 PM
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I do so agree with the sentiment calling on the Co... by Tom Chechatka on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 10:28:59 PM
I've been on YouTube.com and after not being a... by Kevin Gosztola on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 4:25:25 PM
or, if you haven't already, try this link:http... by Rob Kall on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 4:52:40 PM
Rob.That we can consider Conyers current position ... by Brett Paatsch on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 4:27:43 PM
If some highly influential Democrat were to state ... by Christie on Wednesday, Jan 30, 2008 at 1:08:17 AM
I did not see the statement by McGovern coming. Th... by Brett Paatsch on Wednesday, Jan 30, 2008 at 2:18:33 AM
.  .  . what the people of OpEdNews will... by Dana Pico on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 4:34:45 PM
some of us care more about the constitution and th... by Cheryl Biren on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 4:39:50 PM
regarding"what the people of OpEdNews will do... by Cheryl Biren on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 4:44:50 PM
It won't go that way, not entirely. The hearin... by Rob Kall on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 4:49:27 PM
."... hearings will drege up more and mo... by meremark on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 6:49:50 PM
I AGREE WHEN THEY SENT ANTHARX LETTERS IN OCT 2001... by RICHARD SHADE on Wednesday, Jan 30, 2008 at 2:27:53 AM
as you may have guessed "party" is hardl... by Cheryl Biren on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 5:29:08 PM
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If they are still in office on January 16th and im... by Kevin Gosztola on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 5:29:20 PM
from Dana and so your answer begs another.To Dana:... by Brett Paatsch on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 6:13:28 PM
Good try Rob, but to get a definite answer from a ... by john riggs on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 5:55:59 PM
Rob and friendsI respectfully want to say, Rob, th... by Kathryn Smith on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 6:05:45 PM
first and foremost, and then it's a matter of ... by Kathlyn Stone on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 7:52:04 PM
There comes a time when all else fails you grab a ... by Mr M on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 10:08:40 PM
Former Congresswoman Elizabeth Holtzman served on ... by michal54 on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 6:21:29 PM
 Good job, Rob, too bad you interviewed Methu... by Rick Mason on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 6:45:32 PM
Fact is, engaged active older people have brains t... by Rob Kall on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 9:40:18 PM
Well, that's good news Rob. And I think Mr. Co... by Dom Jermano on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 8:51:35 PM
Mr. Kall, I have a feeling that your high regard f... by Mr M on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 9:12:19 PM
the fact is, it did take a long time with nixon. A... by Rob Kall on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 9:42:47 PM
I am confused.  I too was there during the Ni... by michal54 on Wednesday, Jan 30, 2008 at 7:51:04 AM
wheras Cheney and the neocons behind Bush seem to ... by Brett Paatsch on Thursday, Jan 31, 2008 at 12:23:45 PM
That's it Rob? So, because it might take too l... by Mr M on Wednesday, Jan 30, 2008 at 10:02:40 AM
as well, because it made a big difference to me to... by SpiritBlooms on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 9:16:13 PM
 i watched the video and personally it doesn&... by Cheryl Biren on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 9:37:58 PM
Rob, you can write him off.Conyers has more than e... by Maher Osseiran on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 9:41:41 PM
The most important part of that interview to me is... by Ben Marble, M.D. on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 9:53:18 PM
Rob, thanks for that great footage and conversatio... by August Adams on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 9:59:08 PM
I suggest that we can continue to pressure Speaker... by Gary Boutell on Wednesday, Jan 30, 2008 at 10:15:56 AM
way to go man! You got him to admit on camera what... by Ben Marble, M.D. on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 10:00:20 PM
A PROFESSIONAL politician telling the people why t... by Timothy V. Gatto on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 10:18:01 PM
It's hard to speak softly and be sweet when on... by Crystal Purcell on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 10:31:43 PM
he may not be on that island, but in paraguay wher... by Cheryl Biren on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 10:41:01 PM
Rob, just saw your interview while visiting AfterD... by via on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 10:48:50 PM
Before even starting, I wish to say that, yes, I&#... by 2yoginijewels on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 10:50:14 PM
John Conyers reminds me of my Uncle Bob,a farmer a... by tjb on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 11:23:05 PM
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Hey Mr. This is no card game, and we don't gam... by Dom Jermano on Wednesday, Jan 30, 2008 at 8:55:07 PM
Good for you Rob.  It's gotten so bad tha... by davy on Wednesday, Jan 30, 2008 at 3:45:15 AM
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Clinton will drive republicans to the polls in dro... by Mr M on Wednesday, Jan 30, 2008 at 9:31:25 AM
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