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Conyers Tells Rob Kall: Impeachment Not Off the Table; A You Tube Video

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John Conyers: Sure. There are plenty of things that could happen. And it's not off the table.

Rob Kall: It's not? That's good to hear.

John Conyers: Well that's why we're talking.

Rob Kall:
Thank you.

Conyer's aide: Now the congressman has got to get back...

 

I must say that I have enormous respect for congressman Conyers. He didn't have to have the conversation and, like Matt Stoller, said, he's intensely interested in this. He is THE key factor in what could be a huge turning point in history. His refusal to proceed is perplexing though. I don't buy the argument that the concern about the Republicans attacking the action is holding HIM back. It might be enough to worry some the more invertebrate members of congress, but not Conyers.

On the contrary, I believe that if spun intelligently, taking the approach could dramatically help the Democrats in the 2008 elections. Conyers should take the position that Bush and Cheney have forced the house judiciary committee to use impeachment hearings as a last resort, because the whitehouse admin refused to obey, or allow appointees to obey conventional congressional subpoenas. Executive privilege can not be used in response to impeachment hearing subpoenas.

Perhaps my conversation with Conyers allowed him to tip off the whitehouse that there is more at stake than just saying no to the subpoenas already issued to Harriet Meiers and others. If so, I'm happy to be of help.

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One thing seems clear. John Conyers is VERY aware of his place in history, the power we wields. The response from Bush to the Meiers subpoena will come soon. These are clearly very high stakes exchanges.

George Bush has been very concerned about his pathetic legacy, and it seems, he faces going down rather ignominiously in history. But John Conyers turns 80 in May. My guess he is contemplating how history regards him. There is still time to pursue the serial impeachment of constitutional and war criminals Dick Cheney and George Bush. I'm hoping that we will soon see that John Conyers has dotted his 'i''s and crossed his 't's to his satisfaction, and, having gone through all the proper procedures, so history gives him credit for giving Cheney and Bush a chance to work with the system and then giving them enough rope to hang themselves.

When Conyers says "There must be some compelling reason I'm not doing it right now, perhaps he has plans that are time sensitive. Perhaps when dealing with taking down the most powerful man in the world, who is a rogue killer, torturer, liar, you don't tip your hand. Perhaps you wait until the time is right and then spring your assault. How many people do you think Bush/Cheney would, if they could get away with it, KILL, to prevent hearings? So don't be so glib and quick to condemn Mr. Conyers yet. If, by the end of the 110th congress, he's done nothing, feel free, and history will surely look poorly upon his legacy. But now, the time is far too premature.

I've written about this many times before. Investigations of Agnew led to his resignation. Impeachment hearings of Nixon, which did not stop the work of congress, led to disclosures, confessions and discoveries that led a group of Republican senators to take "THE WALK" to the whitehouse, to inform Nixon that he must resign or face their cooperation in his impeachment.

History will recapitulate this series of events. Cheney will be investigated, and in short order, develop a "medical excuse" so he gets a note from the doctor that he needs to resign. Bush will appoint a vice president who the Dems in congress can live with, one who will not run for office-- probably a senior leader, like John Warner, James Baker, or maybe Bush will take advantage of the opportunity to make a minor correction to his legacy and appoint a black, woman or latino, or a native American (Senator Akaka has introduced legislation that would give native, indigenous Hawaiians the same right as Native American Indians. )

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Then, hearings will continue against Bush. Just as history has taught us with the Agnew, Nixon and Gonzales hearings, lower level appointees will testify, provide evidence, then higher level appointees and ultimately, the ugly truth will lead to Mitch McConnell leading THE WALK to the whitehouse, informing Bush that the Republican party will be demolished for decades if Bush does not resign.

But timing is VERY important. I posted this as a comment below, but I want to be sure it is seen:

There's another way to think about this. If hearings are held early, and Cheney resigns, then Bush resigns, and it's, say, May, then there's a new, squeaky clean rebublican president, representing recovery, renewal, change-- and all of a sudden, the Bush presidency is behind them, with five months to go until the election. THAT could be a problem for the Dems. The ideal timing is to start investigating Cheney in March, for him to resign in June, with a replacement confirmed by July, then hearings on Bush, that start in july, are put on hold during the summer hiatus, continued in September, with the worst, most damning testimony happening in October.

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Rob Kall has spent his adult life as an awakener and empowerer-- first in the field of biofeedback, inventing products, developing software and a music recording label, MuPsych, within the company he founded in 1978-- Futurehealth, and founding, organizing and running 3 conferences: Winter Brain, on Neurofeedback and consciousness, Optimal Functioning and Positive Psychology (a pioneer in the field of Positive Psychology, first presenting workshops on it in 1985) and Storycon Summit Meeting on the Art Science and Application of Story-- each the first of their kind.  Then, when he found the process of raising people's consciousness and empowering them to take more control of their lives  one person at a time was too slow, he founded Opednews.com-- which has been the top search result on Google for the terms liberal news and progressive opinion for several years. Rob began his Bottom-up Radio show, broadcast on WNJC 1360 AM to Metro Philly, also available on iTunes, covering the transition of our culture, business and world from predominantly Top-down (hierarchical, centralized, authoritarian, patriarchal, big)  to bottom-up (egalitarian, local, interdependent, grassroots, archetypal feminine and small.) Recent long-term projects include a book, Bottom-up-- The Connection Revolution, debillionairizing the planet and the Psychopathy Defense and Optimization Project. 

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Great job Rob, just great ,like I always say OpEd ... by tjb on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 10:31:53 AM
'Conyers: Let me just say this to you because ... by Mark Sashine on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 10:33:42 AM
Did you watch the video or read the script. Keep i... by Rob Kall on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 11:01:43 AM
I must be drinking the wrong stuff altogether. So... by Crystal Purcell on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 10:22:18 PM
 "Well, if we democrats are that stupid,... by rhalfhill on Wednesday, Jan 30, 2008 at 6:18:31 AM
No I can't be glad that he is running the Judi... by Gregory Wonderwheel on Wednesday, Jan 30, 2008 at 7:28:42 PM
The man is incoherent, and he doesn't even rea... by Nadia on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 6:08:05 PM
If you think that you weren't listening. ... by Brett Paatsch on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 8:58:20 PM
There is an even worse possibility.  Kenya is... by rhalfhill on Wednesday, Jan 30, 2008 at 6:40:10 AM
With Conyers they are useless. He has already said... by Gregory Wonderwheel on Wednesday, Jan 30, 2008 at 7:43:31 PM
Brettp, your questions are wel... by Brett Paatsch on Thursday, Jan 31, 2008 at 11:45:17 AM
So, what ARE his reasons for not pursuing impeachm... by Pixie on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 11:00:43 AM
Don't waste your legitimate feeling of frustra... by Brett Paatsch on Thursday, Jan 31, 2008 at 11:51:13 AM
Bob, you are certainly to be commended for your co... by Mark Watterson on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 11:34:08 AM
Senility, egotism and primal fear is a bad co... by Michael Fury on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 11:39:35 AM
Excellent work Rob. However, I must disagree with... by Munich on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 12:11:27 PM
looks  like most of the commenters above feel... by Mark Sashine on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 1:09:11 PM
I am so mad after reading this. At Conyers, that i... by Kathryn Smith on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 1:14:45 PM
Having impeachment not off the table is not the sa... by Bill Cain on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 1:16:02 PM
conyers alludes impeachment would hurt the Dems ch... by Better World Order on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 1:22:56 PM
Conyers is putting politics before what is best fo... by Kathlyn Stone on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 1:27:03 PM
 I am happy I am not the only one who wanted ... by Mark Sashine on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 1:34:56 PM
. Emotions are understandable (of course) but we n... by Brett Paatsch on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 9:06:07 PM
For those to young to remember the song it goes li... by tjb on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 1:40:02 PM
You're lookin' mighty good in that suit. T... by Cheryl Biren on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 1:40:52 PM
where's the editor when you need him ?"On... by Tony Forest on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 1:41:22 PM
Get a grip folks. Imagine what you would be like i... by GeoRip on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 1:57:04 PM
I was respectful and courteous to congressman cony... by Rob Kall on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 2:08:30 PM
besides those who just get their kicks out of crit... by Cheryl Biren on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 3:22:35 PM
Good question. Nothing I presume or we'd have ... by Brett Paatsch on Wednesday, Jan 30, 2008 at 1:59:30 AM
I'd like to see Rep. Conyers's office rece... by JonmarkP on Wednesday, Jan 30, 2008 at 5:03:29 PM
I know I could not have engaged him nearly as well... by Gregory Wonderwheel on Wednesday, Jan 30, 2008 at 7:23:30 PM
My feellings go back and forth over the issue of b... by Crystal Purcell on Thursday, Jan 31, 2008 at 11:20:34 PM
If Mr. Conyers has been threatened, or his family ... by Charlie L on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 1:58:28 PM
I am always mind-boggled by that mere statement. T... by Kathryn Smith on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 2:05:52 PM
Was it just me or did I hear a tone of, "who ... by Steve Slocum on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 2:16:12 PM
Last week I happened to watch Pelosi answering que... by Mr M on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 8:15:44 PM
It is amazing what we see here:  a politico c... by Mark Sashine on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 2:16:41 PM
I'd say conyers is more like an attorney under... by Rob Kall on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 2:34:09 PM
'There's no great bravery in calling names... by Mark Sashine on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 2:46:19 PM
I'm not ready to write Conyers off. He's t... by Rob Kall on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 3:19:56 PM
"I'm not ready to write Conyers off. He&#... by Cheryl Biren on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 4:02:32 PM
Rob, the interests of the people of this nation ar... by boomerang on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 10:14:05 PM
 ROB I KNOW I AM NEW TO THIS, AND YOU DID A G... by RICHARD SHADE on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 2:31:13 PM
......won't save us from what is to come. It m... by Tony Forest on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 2:37:04 PM
Personally, I felt the responses to your questions... by Peter Wedlund on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 4:00:15 PM
I do so agree with the sentiment calling on the Co... by Tom Chechatka on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 10:28:59 PM
I've been on YouTube.com and after not being a... by Kevin Gosztola on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 4:25:25 PM
or, if you haven't already, try this link:http... by Rob Kall on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 4:52:40 PM
Rob.That we can consider Conyers current position ... by Brett Paatsch on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 4:27:43 PM
If some highly influential Democrat were to state ... by Christie on Wednesday, Jan 30, 2008 at 1:08:17 AM
I did not see the statement by McGovern coming. Th... by Brett Paatsch on Wednesday, Jan 30, 2008 at 2:18:33 AM
.  .  . what the people of OpEdNews will... by Dana Pico on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 4:34:45 PM
some of us care more about the constitution and th... by Cheryl Biren on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 4:39:50 PM
regarding"what the people of OpEdNews will do... by Cheryl Biren on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 4:44:50 PM
It won't go that way, not entirely. The hearin... by Rob Kall on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 4:49:27 PM
."... hearings will drege up more and mo... by meremark on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 6:49:50 PM
I AGREE WHEN THEY SENT ANTHARX LETTERS IN OCT 2001... by RICHARD SHADE on Wednesday, Jan 30, 2008 at 2:27:53 AM
as you may have guessed "party" is hardl... by Cheryl Biren on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 5:29:08 PM
Assuming that you don't think it's too lat... by Dana Pico on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 4:36:54 PM
If they are still in office on January 16th and im... by Kevin Gosztola on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 5:29:20 PM
from Dana and so your answer begs another.To Dana:... by Brett Paatsch on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 6:13:28 PM
Good try Rob, but to get a definite answer from a ... by john riggs on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 5:55:59 PM
Rob and friendsI respectfully want to say, Rob, th... by Kathryn Smith on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 6:05:45 PM
first and foremost, and then it's a matter of ... by Kathlyn Stone on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 7:52:04 PM
There comes a time when all else fails you grab a ... by Mr M on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 10:08:40 PM
Former Congresswoman Elizabeth Holtzman served on ... by michal54 on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 6:21:29 PM
 Good job, Rob, too bad you interviewed Methu... by Rick Mason on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 6:45:32 PM
Fact is, engaged active older people have brains t... by Rob Kall on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 9:40:18 PM
Well, that's good news Rob. And I think Mr. Co... by Dom Jermano on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 8:51:35 PM
Mr. Kall, I have a feeling that your high regard f... by Mr M on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 9:12:19 PM
the fact is, it did take a long time with nixon. A... by Rob Kall on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 9:42:47 PM
I am confused.  I too was there during the Ni... by michal54 on Wednesday, Jan 30, 2008 at 7:51:04 AM
wheras Cheney and the neocons behind Bush seem to ... by Brett Paatsch on Thursday, Jan 31, 2008 at 12:23:45 PM
That's it Rob? So, because it might take too l... by Mr M on Wednesday, Jan 30, 2008 at 10:02:40 AM
as well, because it made a big difference to me to... by SpiritBlooms on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 9:16:13 PM
 i watched the video and personally it doesn&... by Cheryl Biren on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 9:37:58 PM
Rob, you can write him off.Conyers has more than e... by Maher Osseiran on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 9:41:41 PM
The most important part of that interview to me is... by Ben Marble, M.D. on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 9:53:18 PM
Rob, thanks for that great footage and conversatio... by August Adams on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 9:59:08 PM
I suggest that we can continue to pressure Speaker... by Gary Boutell on Wednesday, Jan 30, 2008 at 10:15:56 AM
way to go man! You got him to admit on camera what... by Ben Marble, M.D. on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 10:00:20 PM
A PROFESSIONAL politician telling the people why t... by Timothy V. Gatto on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 10:18:01 PM
It's hard to speak softly and be sweet when on... by Crystal Purcell on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 10:31:43 PM
he may not be on that island, but in paraguay wher... by Cheryl Biren on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 10:41:01 PM
Rob, just saw your interview while visiting AfterD... by via on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 10:48:50 PM
Before even starting, I wish to say that, yes, I&#... by 2yoginijewels on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 10:50:14 PM
John Conyers reminds me of my Uncle Bob,a farmer a... by tjb on Tuesday, Jan 29, 2008 at 11:23:05 PM
I think Uncle Bob has his pants down around his an... by Dom Jermano on Wednesday, Jan 30, 2008 at 1:02:55 AM
Does everyone play poker with their cards face up ... by tjb on Wednesday, Jan 30, 2008 at 5:58:41 AM
Hey Mr. This is no card game, and we don't gam... by Dom Jermano on Wednesday, Jan 30, 2008 at 8:55:07 PM
Good for you Rob.  It's gotten so bad tha... by davy on Wednesday, Jan 30, 2008 at 3:45:15 AM
The article brings to mind what Kerry said when he... by laurie dobson on Wednesday, Jan 30, 2008 at 4:18:26 AM
I assume some of you have put some thought into wh... by Sam Adams on Wednesday, Jan 30, 2008 at 5:20:13 AM
you don't know by now or can't take our wo... by Cheryl Biren on Wednesday, Jan 30, 2008 at 7:07:42 AM
For the draft articles against Cheney go to wexler... by Brett Paatsch on Wednesday, Jan 30, 2008 at 7:56:05 AM
glad to hear you guys are pulling out of iraq - go... by Cheryl Biren on Wednesday, Jan 30, 2008 at 8:09:12 AM
Clinton will drive republicans to the polls in dro... by Mr M on Wednesday, Jan 30, 2008 at 9:31:25 AM
It will come on, because there is no other choice.... by Dom Jermano on Wednesday, Jan 30, 2008 at 8:48:28 PM
You're right, and right now there's not a ... by SpiritBlooms on Sunday, Feb 3, 2008 at 2:48:06 PM
This is typical of liberals, always afraid to do a... by rhalfhill on Wednesday, Jan 30, 2008 at 5:46:59 AM
btw the "on the table...off the table" t... by Ben Marble, M.D. on Wednesday, Jan 30, 2008 at 6:03:41 AM
he's on camera saying the same thing since the... by Cheryl Biren on Wednesday, Jan 30, 2008 at 7:10:49 AM
http://journalof911studies.com/articles/WTCHighTem... by Michael Fury on Wednesday, Jan 30, 2008 at 7:32:16 AM
I am inclined to give Rep. Conyers the benefit of ... by Stephen Demetriou on Wednesday, Jan 30, 2008 at 7:38:32 AM
Demand hand counted paper ballots and a process so... by tjb on Wednesday, Jan 30, 2008 at 8:27:17 AM
You wrote a good comment listing several reasons n... by Gregory Wonderwheel on Wednesday, Jan 30, 2008 at 7:18:27 PM
What we should remember is that all politicians ar... by amazin on Wednesday, Jan 30, 2008 at 8:11:41 AM
Strike08.com ... by Cheryl Biren on Wednesday, Jan 30, 2008 at 8:20:29 AM
The video and text I saw clearly suggests Con... by Roy Murtishaw on Wednesday, Jan 30, 2008 at 2:14:34 PM
There's no doubt he knows Kucinich better than... by Rob Kall on Wednesday, Jan 30, 2008 at 4:29:38 PM
His responses to you were each and everyone of the... by Gregory Wonderwheel on Wednesday, Jan 30, 2008 at 7:13:53 PM
He didn't dodge. The video and the transcript ... by Brett Paatsch on Thursday, Jan 31, 2008 at 12:28:58 PM
 -Obama says impeachment is out http://www.us... by GatorVol on Friday, Feb 8, 2008 at 9:23:52 PM
In all, I thought it was a highlight to hear the d... by Gustav Wynn on Saturday, Feb 9, 2008 at 1:27:07 PM