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Who Will Replace Trump as the 2020 GOP Presidential Candidate

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Trump is in big trouble. There are multiple reports that the honchos at FOX News are discussing what to do in a post-Trump world. That includes the highest levels of leadership there. That includes Paul Ryan, former House Majority Leader.

If Fox decides to throw Trump under the bus, then there will be a Republican primary.

So, who will enter the fray as candidates. There are already a few who have thrown their hat in:

Former Governor Mark Sanford (South Carolina,) Former Congressman Joe Walsh (Illinois,) and Former Massachusetts Governor Bill Weld.

I predict that additional candidates who will enter the primary race will include Mike Pence, Paul Ryan, Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, Mitt Romney, for starters. And (thanks Dennis Kaiser for the inspiration) we should also include possible female candidates-- who could really change the polls. I'd include Niki Haley, Susan Collins, Lisa Murkowski, Joni Ernst and maybe even Meghan McCain.

Once this process starts, the Democratic primary situation will change drastically. Polling companies will have to run long polls matching up all the Democratic candidates against all the Republican candidates. That may change the picture, particularly for Joe Biden, who has based his whole campaign on beating Trump.

Smart Democratic primary candidates will take the long view and solidify their stands and positions and proposals on the issues that American voters carea about.

I can't tell whether Trump will be removed from office. That may not happen, though, with the revelations about Fox News, it is looking more likely that the Repubicans in the Senate may decide that keeping Trump in office will have a devastating effect on the 2020 elections. I speculate that they're working with pollsters right now trying to divine which scenario produces the least damage for them. They may just come to the conclusion that Trump is poison for their future and actually lead the charge to remove Trump.

MSNBC reports that former Republican Senator Jeff Flake says that 35 Republican Senators would secretly vote to impeach.

My guess is that the last thing the Democratic leaders want is for the Senate Republicans to vote to impeach. They want Trump, firmly affixed to the GOP, like a dead rodent, reekingly fluttering in the wind until November 3rd.

Will Biden poll as well against Pence, Ryan, Collins, McCain or Rubio? Will Warren or Sanders pull ahead or tank? How will Warren do against Meghan McCain or Susan Collins?

Things are going to really heat up. There's a lot of crazy going on, on both sides. As I write about in my book, Bottom-up Revolution, Nobel prize winning chemist Ilya Prigogine showed that out of chaos (chemical reactions) comes higher levels of order. Let's hope that out of all this craziness, some good emerges. Emergence is a dimension of chaos and it doesn't take a majority to make emergence that turns into the new reality happen.

 

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"I'm not running" in 2016 - Republican House Speaker Paul Ryan. That "blew away" Trump's partisan support in the House, where the 'impeachment of the president' might be invoked by an incoming Democrat House Speaker 'so inclined'. Perhaps Trump already knew "his goose might be cooked" when he had to do a 'double take' and turned at the House Podium to witness Speaker Paul Ryan was gone, and the new Democrat Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi 'with her arms so out stretched perhaps sarcastically applauding his statement at his State of the Union Address. The 'heat' coming from Pelosi's 'Impeachment Inquiry', with her 'six Committees 'investigating Trump' from top to bottom, sideways, and in between, and scrutinizing every word he utters, every phone call he makes may become so 'unbearable' for Trump (who prefers to govern by 'decree') and the GOP, and his stalwart Republican Leader and supporter in the Senate McConnell, that Trump may perhaps decide something like - 'this is not what I bargained for at all and I'm not runn'in' in 2020 - I want out now' and suddenly he resigns unexpectedly hoping that VP Pence can finish out his term for him and grant him a full pardon in case he might need one even before the GOP Nominating Convention in 2020 - the GOP may 'give the nod' to 'squeaky clean' Republican 'stalwart' Senator Mitt Romney to 'step up to the plate' for the Presidency.

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Nikki Haley - beware!

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Oh, GAWD-No! No. No.

Jeez Louise, I'm tired of this baloney already.

Well, as the U.S. of Dumbf*ckistan collapses, (as planned for by the One Control cretins), it might as well be loud... as always.

I need to watch more music videos; as so kindly and frequently provided to us by our friend, David Watts. (Too bad we're so addicted to the circus)

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Once again thank the Corporate Dems. This time with their Impeachment movement to eliminate Trump and their failure to back Tulsi they have no viable candidate to run.

The GOP will force Trump to step out and put Haley in as their candidate. The Establishment Dems who backed Hillary will cross over to back Establishment Haley. Meanwhile the Dems are attempting to portray Warren as an Establishment choice, however in her campaign to be recognized by attaching to Sanders' coattails who sudden change only makes her show as not being trustworthy as nobody knows where she is coming from as it depends with how the wind is flowing. Her desire to do what is best for her career rather than what is best for the people is showing brightly.

Haley has always been an Establishment player proving to not disrupt the status quo and will crush Warren in the debates as well as in the MSM propaganda.

BEWARE!

IMHO a good rule to follow is: "If the MSM pushes hard for any candidate, reject them as they are already bought and paid for and nothing for the better of our nation will change. On the other hand get behind the candidate the MSM is smearing because they are not bought and paid for and will work hard to change from the status quo."

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You make really good points. Warren collapses as the Democratic Candidate, when Hillbros, many of whom are more gender than politics based, have a female Republican to vote for. Thanks for the suggestion. I added Haley to my list. OF course,

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Caitlin Johnstone - CIA "whistleblower" was no such thing. just a planted spy who had no legal right to the information. msm has once again duped america


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One of her worst articles. Ed Snowden worked as a subcontractor for the NSA. Thomas Drake and Bill Binney worked for the NSA. John Kiriakou was a CIA agent. They are honorable people who became whistleblowers I've had a chance to get to know all of them but Snowden and they are good people who have been tortured brutally, their lives massively assaulted, for being whistleblowers.

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apples and oranges. the cia agent was a plant, not someone revealing information important to the welfare of Americans, as the others on that list did and continue to do. I could list 1000 pieces of legislation the Democrats could have passed to undo the damage Trump has done to us and to our country. Instead they wasted our time with what I now count as 4 misfired attempts at impeachment . If they had simply acted like legislators and worked on behalf of the people, Americans would have somewhere to turn in the next election. Instead they have made total fools of themselves with Russiagate ensuring that they will never be trusted again, not by anyone. I disagree with the entire premise of this impeachment proceeding, which is guaranteed to fail as it is not a legitimate argument. The Democrats have all but guaranteed that we will be stuck with Trump for another 4 years. I am going to take a break from all of this. I have more productive ways to spend my time.

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Having been involved in the Whistleblowing community for over ten years, this policy change makes sense to me. The goal is to get important information from whistleblowers. The first-hand knowledge requirement was an impediment to getting to the truth. Intelligence community employees are very intentionally separated from first hand contact, so ANY information is valuable.

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"I could list 1000 pieces of legislation the Democrats could have passed to undo the damage Trump has done to us and to our country." Not when Republicans control the Senate and White House!

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The House, under the Democrats, have passed over 200 pieces of legislation, just about all of them dying under Moscow Mitch's hand in the Senate.

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What is so interesting about Snowden, and something tht shines a light on the need to protect 'whistleblowers, is what he said, in the recent NPR interview.

If h returned, the would not be allowed--under the current 'law' to explain the WHY--the reasons that led him to do what he did.

What he saw, NOT AS A SPY but as an observer in that moment-- was astonishing. When I heard what it was the he actually saw, the reasons he felt that W AMERICANS should know, I was stunned.

I am so tired by all the 'opinions' and 'controversy' that inundates TRUTH.

He was and is an honorable person. Obama said, if he truanted, they would not "torture him." The law said he was guilty, and his 'reasons' were immaterial.

He would wear an orange suit for his lifetime... for explaining to Lila and the rest of us, where theta about every aspect of outlives is gathered and stored.

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Nicely done again Lila - Not so sure about the legal right - Perhaps someone steeped in the rule of law can answer.

I am happy to see the elites at each other's throat. However, unlike the elites who in the midst of all this are still organized with no discernible indigestion, we remain in the seated position ruminating and virulently victimized again by left/right absolutes...unwilling to take advantage of this crisis.

Perhaps we should physically free Chelsea Manning? We should take out ads in the real media to let them know that we are coming and that they should not be there when we arrive to free her. That would certainly indicate that we are serious about retaking the US from the lying, thieving, murderous bastards that currently own it.

I like Caitlin's ending here: For more info on who I am, where I stand, and what I'm trying to do with this platform, click here. Everyone, racist platforms excluded, has my permission to republish or use any part of this work (or anything else I've written) in any way they like free of charge.

Actually I would give the racist permission as well.

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Thanks for sharing Caitlin's article. it inspired me to interview CIA whistleblower John Kiriakou, who blew the whistle on the US government's torture program.

https://www.opednews.com/articles/I-interview-former-CIA-Age-by-Rob-Kall-CIA_Ukraine-Phone-Call-Whistleblower_Whistleblower-191004-654.html


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Jimmy Dore and Aaron Mate on the "impeachment"

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Al Capone was imprisoned for tax evasion.

you prosecute with the evidence that is most likely to get a conviction. Do you feel that Trump is a poor, innocent, beleaguered victim? I don't think so.

As soon as Jimmy argues that this won't go anywhere in the Senate, he loses me. Impeachment is not just about conviction in the senate. Anyone who uses that argument loses me. It is nonsense.

Jimmy says, "If you're not going to impeach bonified war criminals..." sorry, but that argument doesn't cut it. I supported impeachment of Bush and Cheney and would have even supported impeachment of Obama over his treatment of whistleblowers.

Jimmy says that impeachment will help Trump. I disagree. Polls have already turned. The latest shows 49% support for and 46% opposition to impeachment.

Jimmy says that Democrats have nothing to offer, that they are a bankrupt party and ideology. I disagree. MEdicare for all, free public college tuition, rent controls, major taxing of billionaires-- these are all good things.

Jimmy points out that Biden did things that are wrong. Okay. That still doesn't give Trump the right to violate the law, as he did with the President of Ukraine.

I don't disagree with Jimmy about the problems with Pelosi and most of the Dem leadership. But I do feel that there is a new generation of Dem leaders-- AOC, Tlaib, Omar, Presley, Khana-- who offer some hope.

And I do believe that investigating Trump is a good thing, a necessary thing, mandated by the constitution. And if Joe Biden is damaged by the blowback, all the better.

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Where do you see trying to impeach Trump NOW on flimsy or possibly zero evidence will actually go?

The entire world is still suffering from "Obama derangement" syndrome, not to mention "Bernie derangement syndrome," since he fllipped 180° for Hillary, giving us Trump in the first place.

How can anyone conceivably get behind Nasty Pelosi?

Essay answer questions, that I need no answer to, but I do encourage people to seriously ponder them. And why if anyone were halfway serious, didn't we impeach Trump for real reasons David Swanson and others laid out so long ago?

If we are going to operate from rage rather than reason, I am "almost happy" about extinction.

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Now, your "almost happy about extinction" comment explains a lot. I was 100% behind Swanson's reasons to impeach. Like I said... Al Capone...

It's not about getting behind Nancy Pelosi. Trump is a monster. I don't care if he is elegantly removed or shoehorned out with a pig scapula. He has to go because he has flagrantly violated the constitution repeatedly. It seems that too many people in this thread are dilettantes who are picky about what shovel is used to remove the manure from the White House.


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I have followed this thread for a while, and like you, I see their conversation for what it says about what they know. What I wonder is how, anyone can conceivably reject the reality in front of us all. Just like Congress, they "should be taking stock now of just how much lawlessness they're willing to tolerate."

Truth seems to escape people whose worldview and perspective have the same weight as observable reality, because it is clear TO EVERYONE- that Trump had suspended military aid to Ukraine at the time of the phone conversation with Zelensky!

Behavior is ALL! (EH? Gary Brumback?)

Trump says: "the Constitution lets me do 'whatever I want as president." The Ukraine call record shows Trump talking like a mob boss -"That's a very, very good relationship we have with Ukraine. It would be a shame if something happened to it!"

And now, his 'veiled threats' to the whistleblower, saying he should be treated like spies who commit treason.

HMMM.

"Let's see: Russia has invaded the Ukraine, Ukraine is dependent upon the United States for military assistance to defend itself, Trump is withholding the aid, at the same time asking them for dirt on his political opponent," and he is jeopardizing the national security interests of the United States." "It is a crime for the present to solicit aid for his campaign from a foreign government," Judge Andrew Napolitano says.. as does t his which nails it. "You engaged in a shakedown to get election dirt from a foreign country. And then you tried to cover it up; But you're right about one thing-- your words need no mockery. Your own words and deeds mock themselves. But most importantly here, they endanger our country."

and BTW 300 former officials called Trump's actions concerning Ukraine 'profound national security concern' --the list includes those who served as career officials in both Democratic and Republican administrations, including Matthew Olsen, head of the Justice Department's national security division under President George W. Bush and director of the National Counterterrorism Center under President Barack Obama. " "To be clear, we do not wish to prejudge the totality of the facts or Congress' deliberative process," said the statement, released Friday. "At the same time, there is no escaping that what we already know is serious enough to merit impeachment proceedings."

Finally, when Bernie and I went to James Madison High School, we learned in our history class, that Madison was very concerned that a president would use the executive office for his own purposes.

Bernie now says: Sanders went on to say that he doesn't think Trump "knows the difference between lying and truth-telling.""I doubt very much that he understands what the Constitution of the United States of America is about. I don't think he understands that we have an emoluments clause which says you cannot enrich yourself when you're president. I don't know that he understands that. He grew up as a very rich kid. I think he's a spoiled brat, and I think he thinks he can do anything that he wants to do."



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Nothing here is clear to everyone. Can you prove that Trump suspended the military aid to Ukraine? If so, that it has something to do with Biden's blackmail of Zelensky? Why would Trump do it when Biden openly testified that he had blackmailed Zelensky in front of TV cameras? If you cannot answer this, you have nothing. Trump will win again which is, in my opinion, a complete intention of this story.

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Those are pretty strong, insulting words. Can you prove that Biden blackmailed Zelensky in front of TV cameras. And even if Biden did all the wrongs Trump accuses him of, that does not make what Trump did acceptable.


And please explain why you say I wrote this article to help Trump win again. Or are you referring to the impeachment process under way?

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Nicely done! Thank you.

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Sorry I made a mistake; it was Poroshenko who was blackmailed by Biden. But the essentials remain the same. See Devil's advocate post.

I said if you who call for Trump's impeachment cannot prove that he blackmailed Zelensky, you will make Trump a victim, and it will help his presidential rate grow, together with his chances at next election.

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I strongly believe that the Mueller investigation was a conspiracy of the rich made with the intention to increase the presidential rate of Trump, their best supporter ever. The impeachment enquiry of Trump is most likely the same attempt with the same intention. This is what I meant by "this story", not your article.

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AH! you firmly believe! That is important... and it defines your thinking!

You believe that "it is likely," and in your opinion, that this is the "same intention."

Well, maybe to you, but to me, who sees behavior as the reality, and does not guess at intentions, and grasps the information and intentions of the REPORT (which was sabotaged by Barr,) your opinion and comment defines and exposes an enormous lack of information about the Constitution.

Of course, you are free to believe what you believe, as I am free to look at the behavior before my eyes, and compare it to my prior knowledge of history.. and thus, to worry and wonder what will happen if the executive office is not checked by the legislative arm of Congress ) even as the Justice arm has been suborned.

And one more thing... I am no naive child who is unaware of the power -elite who are undoing our democracy! ( eh? Gary B?).

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Susan, let me teach you about the US Constitution and history. The US Constitution works perfectly if it fits the interests of rich; otherwise, it does not work.

Do you think that Bill Clinton was impeached because of the Lewinsky case? No way. He was impeached because he did not want to bomb Yugoslavia. He would be replaced from the President position if he did not change his mind.

Do you think that Richard Nixon was replaced because of the Watergate affair? No way. He was replaced because he did not want to listen to the King of the US, David Rockefeller. Kennedy was killed because of it. And you still believe the US is a democratic republic by the Constitution!

Trump cooperates with the highest power - Emperor Jacob Rothschild. Rothschild and Rockefeller still do not have the absolute power in the US; otherwise, they would rule openly. I strongly believe Rothschild will protect Trump even if he acted against the US Constitution, which is not proved yet.

Below is the famous cartoon portraying Rockefeller controlling the government originally published in The Verdict on January 22, 1900.


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Oh my, YOU are going to teach me about the power elite; (hear that, Gary B?)

I know this nation is screwed by them, as Caitlin Johnstone pointed out today.

Trump fu#@ed with the power elite when he messed with Zelensky. Until then, they were quite content with leaving him to wreck what was left of America.

My point, which you seem to miss, is that the incompetent mongrel who represents this nation, needs to be exposed for the dangerous ignoramus and malignant being that he is, and our Constitution can at least provide a way to do this.

Truth is a precious commodity, and even if it is a small thing in the larger scheme of ending democracy, this inept criminal needs to be exposed, along with his rogue lawyers Gulliani and Barr.

Stupid cannot be cured! "Speaker Nancy Pelosi displayed a public reluctance to impeach President Trump. Feeling emboldened, Trump committed the very same crime he got away with. OY!

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This wonderful essay --if one reads the whole thing-- nails what I think about what is going on today.

Just because I want to see that dog exposed, and because I respect the Constitution, does not mean I am unaware of the observable reality of this moment!

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I have the same opinion about Trump as you do, but there is no way I would help him win the next election, which you might.

Trump barely won the previous election, and now Democrats have a big problem finding a person who might win him even though his policy is terrible. That is the result of Democrat's blind hatred against Trump and a lack of smartness.

Attack Trump as much as you can if you have a clear proof against him. I did not see it so far even though you claim it so clear to you.

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Trump is self-impeaching. There are at least half a dozen polls now showing that the American people have radically shifted their attitude towards supporting both impeachment and impeachment investigations. The right wing media and his enablers are saying there is not enough evidence, that it's okay for a president to extort political aid from a foreign nation using US funds. But the rest of the world sees a clear-cut case of impeachable behavior in his Ukraine phone call.

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Rob, there is no such thing out there as whistle-blowers. If the so-called "deep state" did not support them, nobody would be able to hear them. If Assange, Snowden, Manning, or the last hidden one from CIA, were saying something that damages the "deep state," no media would broadcast it because the "deep state" controls media. That is how they play with people and influence public opinion.

It is tough to prove that "president Trump extorted political aid from a foreign nation using US funds," even if it is evident because he can say he did it in the name of justice. It is impossible to prove he did not. Also, the "deep state" will protect Trump because he is its valuable asset. So far, the case looks like the Mueller investigation. If unsupported accusations against Trump prevail, he will be elected again.

I think a real escape lies in searching for those who stand behind the "deep state," and going after them. A good idea would also be promoting a new approach to politics that can remove the "deep state." I have presented how to do both in my first article here on OEN.

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hahahah. I should prove? hahahaha.

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and on the subject ofTRUTH -- including Gullianni's part, Trump appears to be counting on confusion over the complex Ukraine story to offera fog of false claims and allegations to make it appear Joe Biden did something wrong. The Post's Fact Checker team published a short guide this morning to Trump's statements and the truth.

Of course the nay-sayers , will not be interested in the facts, but I found this interesting.Giuliani spent months cultivating relationships with five current and former prosecutors in Ukraine to achieve a particular goal: Helping Trump win next year's election by pursuing allegations damaging to his Democratic rivals. Paul Sonne, Michael Birnbaum, Rosalind S. Helderman and Josh Dawsey report: "Giuliani decried any scrutiny of his conduct in a long interview Thursday, saying that more attention was finally being paid to the Biden family. ... During those meetings, he said, he obtained information about Hunter Biden and what the former New York mayor has alleged was collusion between Democrats and Ukraine in the 2016 election. " Some of the Ukrainians Giuliani and his associates interacted with were banned from entering the United States. Giuliani blamed the U.S. Embassy in Ukraine for blocking the officials from coming to the United States to give him more information. " A former Ukrainian prosecutor said he believed the officials were angling to provide Giuliani with compromising information at least partly to advance their own careers and win U.S. backing for their position within the often rough-and-tumble world of Ukrainian politics."

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Agggh! Excuse me while I vomit.

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I am lost immediately when 'opinion' is pushed as the equivalent of facts.. a technique used by the 'bubble' of commenters who consistently create controversy, by offering opinon as an alternative to facts.

Of course, everyone is entitled to an opinion, and a right to state it at this site, but too many do not state opinion as IMO... it is put forth as if it were true.

I, too, do not disagree with the problems re: Pelosi, but to me, politics must not win over the LAW.

and one more thing about this 'controversy-- about 'fake news' and all the name-calling about the 'corrupt' NY Times. It echoes the fascist in the WH who calls the free press the enemy the people.

The role of the real journalists out there,---in my opinion-- is nailed by this piece "Trump's Ukraine Scandal Shows Why Leaks Are Vital to Democracy": if impeachment indeed happens, we'll have not only that whistleblower to thank, but also leaks to the press which has been confirmed by a rough transcript released by the White House itself. Up until a week ago, though, the public and Congress weren't aware of any of these facts. We knew only that an unnamed intelligence official had filed a Trump-related complaint with the Director of National Intelligence (DNI), and the DNI had refused to hand over the whistleblower report to Congress, despite being required to by law.

"While that initial controversy did get some media coverage, it wouldn't have been anything close to the scandal it is today if not for some dogged reporting by several news outlets. Newspapers like the Washington Post and the New York Times soon started publishing bits of information allegedly contained within the whistleblower complaint."

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UH,,UH (gulp)

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Finnian Cunningham From Russiagate to Ukrainegate

Turns out now that Trump's telephone liaison was not with Putin, but rather Ukraine's Zelensky. And the anti-Trump politicos and media are getting all fired up with "Ukrainegate" as a replacement for the non-entity Russiagate.

Trouble is that this alternative conspiracy could backfire badly for Trump's enemies. Because, despite the obsession with trying to impeach Trump, the renewed focus on Ukraine raises legitimate and serious questions about the past dealings of Joe Biden.

Ukrainegate has a lot more political skeletons to tumble from the wardrobe. Those skeletons may bury Democrats and their liberal media-intelligence backers, rather than Trump.

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The beltway's upside-down world has moved into the next phase of gas-lighting the American public over Trump, Biden, and Ukraine. In this establishment media alternate reality using alternative facts, that is 'fake news', the criminal is the victim and the victim is the criminal. What we are left with is a narrative in which Trump's interactions with the Ukrainian president Zelensky over Biden's illegal shake-down of Ukraine's judiciary process, are twisted by the establishment media instead as being a case of Trump undermining the legal rights of 'opposition' candidate Biden.
This has the fingerprints of the Clinton machine all over it, for many reasons, but on the face of it because we can see from the start that it's the infamous Clinton tactic of accusing the opponent of doing precisely what she herself has done.

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Long ago, I surmised that we would watch the 'evil ones' begin to eat each other. Actually, I said we'd watch it from the great beyond, since they're trying to kill off a huge bunch of us. They're likely to succeed.

But I think what's happening is a war within the Cabal comprised of names we don't even know. Someone(s) at the rotten root wants to win The World! As we wrestle here in the mud of party politics and argue among ourselves about who should be in jail (all of them), I doubt we are even scratching the surface of what's truly happening.

I don't know the answers. I enjoy being here--commenting sometimes and surely, as snarky as the next guy. But it just 'feels' important that we hold on to our humanity and the morality we know to be true. Courage, too.

For those with reading stamina, William Hathaway posted a piece that was interesting, to say the least. I think it holds some truth about how we should be directing our intentions. I hope it's true.

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I am on the same page as you, where truth is concerned. My word for 'truth' is 'observable reality.' I like where you offer this sage advice: "But it just 'feels' important that we hold on to our humanity and the morality we know to be true. Courage, too."

You bet'ya!

When I taught 13 year old children (for that is what they were) on the cusp of adulthood, despite the growth hormones -- we read together stories of humanity and courage, (like Rawling's "The Yearling,") and always, talked, talked, talked - using words about what we had read to discover truth. Their parents were thrilled with the critical thinking skills their kids acquired by all that conversation. Harvard loved it ,too... and so Pew asked me how I did it... how I got children to read so well, and to write so coherently.

Simple... they learned how to listen, to speak and to hold conversations that did not end in a 'fight'.

Today, Janet, the conversation that I hear 'out there' -- does nothing more than obscure the truth from people who have neither the time or inclination to read widely.

The anarchy of cyberspace has twisted facts until they have no meaning, so that weaponizing 'disinformation' is common "There is a rapid, dirty river of information coursing through us all day. If you're in the news business, or a consumer of the news business, your reaction to events has to be instant or it is outdated. If you're on social media, there are these swarming mobs who rise out of nowhere, leave people broken and do not stick around to perform the act of gluing them back together."

Even here, where there is so often sane conversation (like your comment, Janet) one finds divisive comments inserted into the conversation -- begun by the publisher, regarding the candidates for election.

For me the 3 nouns in Mr. William's sentence ("republican and democrats & nazis" tell me everything I need to know about the person who wrote the comment, even before his untrue allegation and his allusion to "moderate terrorism."

This kind of rhetoric has been weaponized in the anarchy of cyberspace, until it appears normal.

Arguing points is very different then opining. My point would be that the only candidate for the 2020 president who is at present, utterly unfit, is Donald Trump.

And if I were to put together the words 'fascist, and nazi (with a small 'n') with a name -- it would be Donald Trump.

My blog will be about "conversation'' because Words Matter, and the words bandied about today do not resemble conversation.

And one last thing, There is in fact a comment made here, that uses the word, "Zionist' applied to me! LOL!

That is not conversation!

Not only is it not true ( and just plain mean) it is the kind of 'ad hominem' blather that emerges from people who have forgotten, in their pain and anger, how to respond when their world-view, their perspective feels threatened. I cannot believed that I once thought that person was a 'dear friend.'

Ironically, I am a secular jew who lives in a neighborhood now inundated and populated with the orthodox straight out of East New York-- resulting in the destruction of the local schools. The last thing that can be applied to me, is 'zionist,' as I have much empathy for what is ongoing with the Palestinians... although I am completely aware of ALL the facts, and all the alternative -facts generated about Israel obscuring the truth.

That man is just angry that his world view ... well he is just angry!

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And what is not to like about the republican and democrat support of nazis running the regime out of kiev?

This is nearly the same as moderate terrorism.

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I know you do not mean to be funny, but the way you turn things around with a 'waddabout' like this when you point the finger at the dems, and say that "skeletons may bury Democrats and their liberal media-intelligence backers, rather than Trump."

Your technique of presenting 'alternativefacts', is so much like the cartoon in The New Yorker, where the judge says to the jury:" The jury is instructed to ignore common sense, logic, justice and the Big Picture, and consider only the minutiae and technical loopholes, presented to you by those people who are paid to conceal the truth.''

It is so ironic, at this moment when Trump, used a secret server IN THE White House to actually hide the damning evidence of his treasonous behavior -- something he has ranted about forever, BECAUSE Hillary had a private server.

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How about Dick Cheney for President in 2020? Vice President could be John Bolton. :)

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Aaww. But what about little Nikki Haley?

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Yes, of course, W Bush and his 'puppet master' Cheney (W Bush has put Cheney in charge on 9/11 to run 'war games' and 'terror drills' that went live when the three Towers were 'pulled down' and 'a small hole' was 'knocked' in the Pentagon) enjoyed 'a good, strong, tailwind' from Pelosi on their 'eight year run' - the House Speaker takes 'impeachment, all Thirty Five Articles of Impeachment pending for Hearings and Voting and Trial in the Senate on her watch, 'off the table' for the two/for Trump, he's facing 'a strong headwind' coming at him from Pelosi and her six 'committees' investigating 'all things Trump' and Pelosi "now spearheading the effort". But Who can predict 'the wiley ways of politics'? - it seems to depend on 'whichever way the headwinds blow'.

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Good one! I was born in 1941. I am not naive about politics, but the level of corruption at the top has filtered down to the entire population. As the power elite-- the billionaires whose rogue lawyers corrupted the law, we witnessed banks and businesses work only to enrich the top-dogs (like the Sahclers for example). Too hell with the people. Down with unions and health care, and education.

But, the way in which ethics have disappeared in this transformational era, is astonishin. On the roads too is a lawlessness that I never saw before.

As the information technology moved society from the connections and the 'sacred' beneficial behaviors passed down by genuine leaders in society's tribes--communities, neighborhoods,etc... the voice of reason was silenced by the. flood of noise and disinformation from the internet. Donald and Boris J, join Dick C and John B, and that vampire Stephan Miller, as models for how to 'get ahead' today-- winners, as we all lose.

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Maybe an actual conservative can replace Trump.


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Even if impeachment fails, Trump should be removed from office because he's mentally unfit to be president, as evidenced by his tweets such as https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1177539052683309056 .

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I watched behavior for 5 decades as a teacher, with degrees in humanities, and education which focus on human behavior. I have endless files that document Trump's behavior and his dialogue, which show that he is ignorant of everything. This man is incompetent in all that he does , and he victimizes all who trust him, and the only thing that has saved him is his wealth to hire attorneys who obscure his criminality, and obfuscate his shenanigans. He is a malignant, impulsive child who has no conception of government.

Trump appears to be counting on confusion over the complex Ukraine story to offer a fog of false claims and allegations to make it appear Joe Biden did something wrong. The Post's Fact Checker team published a short guide this morning to Trump's statements and the truth. And Philip Bump created a helpful timeline of the significant dates in the whistleblower's complaint to provide more clarity on how Trump's and Giuliani's efforts to get dirt on Biden unfolded. He is, at this moment, even incompetent in defending himself, and has invited impeachment with his own mouth.

You might like this one The Age of the Idiot

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