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General News    H4'ed 2/20/13

Transcript : Former Catholic Priest Matthew Fox on Ratzinger, Opus Dei and the Broken Catholic Church

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I interviewed Matthew Fox on February 13th.  This is part one of a two part interview.  Here's a link to the audio podcast.

Thanks to Don Caldarazzo for doing the transcript.

I met Matthew Fox about nine years ago when we were both speakers at the first Mythic Journeys conference an amazing event bringing together writers, mythologists, psychologists, poets. At the time, I was running the Storycon Conference on the art science and application of story, which I'd founded two years earlier, and which ran for six years. 

Matthew Fox was first stopped from teaching Liberation Theology by Cardinal Ratzinger, then defrocked. He  has since lived an extraordinary life. But he also brings a unique point of view on Pope Benedict, the next pope the college of cardinals will choose and today's Catholic Church. 

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Rob Kall:   And welcome to the Rob Kall Bottom Up Radio Show, WNJC 1360 AM out of Washington Township, New Jersey, reaching metro Philly and South Jersey.  My guest tonight is Matthew Fox.  Now, Matthew Fox has an interesting story, and I'm going to ask him to tell us a little bit about it.  I invited you on, Matthew, and welcome to the show...


Matthew Fox:   Thank you.  Good to be here.


Rob Kall:  I invited you on because you know a lot about the Pope, Ratzinger, from a different perspective than many.  Can you explain that?


Matthew Fox:   Yes.  First of all, I wrote a major book on him a year ago, and I've been translating the German and Italian, called The Popes War: Why Ratzinger's Secret Crusade Has Imperiled the Church, and How It Can Be Saved.  I was involved for twelve years in a battle with Ratzinger, and you have to understand: he has pursued and hounded Theologians for the last thirty-some years.  I was just one of a hundred and five [105] that he silenced and expelled or hounded in some way.  In fact, I list the 105 (they're from all over the world) in my book, at the end. 


Ratzinger was a young Theologian at the Second Vatican Council, and he was quite Progressive there; he complained about the Curia and all the rest.  But then in 1968, when he was a professor at Tubingen University in Germany, the student riots were happening there (as they were in Paris in Berkeley and every place else), and the students invaded a faculty meeting and were honored to be heard, ranted and raved; and all the faculty at the [incoherent word] stayed except one guy, and that was Ratzinger, who stood up and walked out.  People said the next time they saw him, he was an arch-Conservative. 


Then he made his way up the Ecclesial ladder, but meanwhile, he brought the Inquisition back.  That's how History will remember him.  And he didn't do it alone: his boss John Paul II gave him complete carte blanche to do that.  And it's scary, because when you dumb down the church, which is what has happened the last forty-two [42] years, deliberately dumb it down, it's like General Motors firing all it's engineers! 

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Rob Kall has spent his adult life as an awakener and empowerer-- first in the field of biofeedback, inventing products, developing software and a music recording label, MuPsych, within the company he founded in 1978-- Futurehealth, and founding, organizing and running 3 conferences: Winter Brain, on Neurofeedback and consciousness, Optimal Functioning and Positive Psychology (a pioneer in the field of Positive Psychology, first presenting workshops on it in 1985) and Storycon Summit Meeting on the Art Science and Application of Story-- each the first of their kind.  Then, when he found the process of raising people's consciousness and empowering them to take more control of their lives  one person at a time was too slow, he founded which has been the top search result on Google for the terms liberal news and progressive opinion for several years. Rob began his Bottom-up Radio show, broadcast on WNJC 1360 AM to Metro Philly, also available on iTunes, covering the transition of our culture, business and world from predominantly Top-down (hierarchical, centralized, authoritarian, patriarchal, big)  to bottom-up (egalitarian, local, interdependent, grassroots, archetypal feminine and small.) Recent long-term projects include a book, Bottom-up-- The Connection Revolution, debillionairizing the planet (more...)

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