Matthew Fox:
All Across Europe.
Rob Kall: But
again, yes, and the article is about how they're having problems with Europe,
that Europe is a challenge, and that the baptism rate in Europe /
Matthew Fox:
Well, it's happening in America too. I tell you, I did a retreat a few
years ago in upstate New York, and Friday night about a hundred and fifty there
said what traditions they were from. A
hundred were Catholic, "How many are practicing?" About 60 percent. Then I said "How many of your children are
practicing?" Every hand went down. Zero percent of the children of these
Catholics were practicing, and that was three or four years ago. I find this everywhere, that again, the
revelation of pedophilia and the way it's been handled, plus the other
teachings against birth control, against gays, the preoccupation with sex as
the apparent primary teaching of Christianity.
All this is turning off many, many people, as it should.
Rob Kall:
Now, there's an Oped in the Wall Street Journal today that says
"Catholics needed a Pope for the new evangelization." What does that mean, "New evangelization?"
Matthew Fox:
Yeah. You have to be careful with
that word, because the Right Wing loves to play with that. But in a basic sense, evangelization means
"Preaching good news." It's really the
meaning of the word "Gospel." Evangelium: The Good News. So, that could be taken innocuously, but on
the other hand, that's kind of a code word, evangelization, for a lot of Right
wing Catholics.
That's another
scary thing about [what] Ratzinger and John Paul II have done. They put wind in the sail of extreme Right
wing people who get on television all the time saying that they represent
Catholicism, and they don't. They
represent these cults like Opus Dei, who is very powerful. Opus Dei is this movement that was backed
wholeheartedly by the last two Popes, and they're secretive, and they're very
powerful.
I'll tell you a
story. I was in Frankfurt a few years ago and a journalist took me to lunch in
downtown Frankfurt, and he said "Look out there. How buildings do you see being built?" I said, "It looks like seven
skyscrapers." He said, "Yes. Every one is about finance, because the head
of finance is moving from Switzerland to Frankfurt because of the Euro," and he
said that "At the top of each of those skyscrapers will be Opus Dei." So, Opus Dei goes where the power is.
And in America
they're embedded in a lot of media, they're certainly represented in the
Supreme Court. Citizen's United happened
because of five votes from five Roman Catholics Supreme Court Judges. That Citizen's United thing is about as
Fascist an idea you can come up with, the idea that Corporations are
people. Mussolini defined Fascism (and
it's a quote) as " The marriage of corporations and Government." Well, isn't that what Citizen's United is all
about? Tell me that it isn't! That's what I read in it. American's are so na????ve. You know, we think that religion is someone
dressed up pretty in white and blessing people - well there's a lot going on
behind the scenes. And that's what I
tell about in my book, The Pope's War, because we're not just talking
religion here, were' talking politics.
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