Do people know,
for example, that when Kerry ran against Bush II in that election in 2004, in
June, you know, right in the middle of the election, Bush went to the Pope,
went to Vatican and complained, and said, "I'm against gays, I'm against
abortion. Why don't the Catholic Bishops
support me more?" A week later,
Ratzinger, the Pope's right-hand man, wrote a letter to the Bishops of America
saying "A Catholic politician (i.e. Kerry) who does not come out against gays
and abortion should not receive communion."
And this just totally flipped the Kerry campaign upside-down, because
Kerry is a practicing Catholic, and they didn't know how to handle it. But the results of the election show that
three states, New Mexico, Ohio, and Iowa had a very peculiar percentage never
before seen of Catholics who voted for a Republican president, for Bush. If just one of those states had not had that
result, Kerry would have President and not Bush.
So there is an
interference by a foreign government, the Vatican, into an American election,
and the media just kind of yawned it's way through it. It's a very significant thing. And, they got away with it.
Rob Kall: OK.
Let's dive into Opus Dei. Now,
you mentioned Citizen's United and the five Justices who are Catholic on the
Supreme Court. Are any of them Opus
Dei? Do we know?
Matthew Fox: I
believe at least three are.
Rob Kall:
Who?
Matthew Fox: I
footnote that in my book. But it's hard
to know for sure, because Opus Dei is by definition, very, very secret. We do know this: Santorum, the presidential
candidate, sends his teenage sons to a Catholic School where the Opus Dei runs
the religion department. And every time
I hear Santorum open his mouth about moral issues, it sounds like the straight
Opus Dei line. The governor of Kansas,
Brownback, converted from being a Fundamentalist Protestant to being an Opus
Dei Catholic, and he ran for President eight years ago, and he's now governor
there.
So again, Opus Dei
goes where the power is. They're in the
CIA, the FBI. The greatest spy in
American history, about whom Hollywood did a good movie and an accurate movie
called Breach, he gave away more secrets than anyone in American
history, got more of our spies murdered - he was Opus Dei, and he hid within
the organization for twenty years - he got away with it. Finally they caught him. He's now in jail, but he was Opus Dei.
So, you know, it's
a very peculiar organization, and yet they're so influential, especially in the
media in this country. People who write
sweet books about them, you'll see their face on the media representing
Catholic Thought, and interpreting the Vatican.
People who write critical books about Opus Dei, you don't see them any
place. Their works don't get out there
at all.
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