Marina: Right, which it is not well intended when they do that. It's both for some semblance of control, but the other thing that that does, and it's an important warning, always, and things we can learn from other experiences, whether it's the government offering space, or even what would seem like a well meaning non-profit offering a lot of money; what that does though, if you have an assembly in a group that's making decisions democratically and we're coming up with our own agenda, if someone from the outside offers space or money or something else, it actually changes our agenda to not be our agenda. So I saw, often in Argentina, when the government would offer space, for example, that then, rather than talking about the health clinic that they were self-organizing in the neighborhood, it was a back and forth and a back and forth debate about whether or not to accept the space of the government. So the government was able to side-track a discussion without even physically being there, and that's something we have to be really careful of here.
Rob: Yes, this book is a treasure. You write in here about how the Piqueteros would use road blockades and it would be an annoyance to the middle class.
Marina: Uh-huh.
Rob: And then, once the big day came, the same middle class people who had hated the Piqueteros for disrupting their daily life, were supporting the blockades as a necessary action for re-establishing economic viability.
Marina: Uh-huh.
Rob: And it seems to me like, this again, is something that we've seen in the States. How some of the actions by the Occupy people have been annoying and inconveniencing, causing traffic during rush hour for example--
Marina: Right.
Rob:: And, with the timing, setting things up so that people would end up being against Occupy - and this is what happened in Argentina apparently.
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