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Christie Could Face RICO Charges-- Says Blagojevich Defense Attorney Sam Adam Jr.-- Interview Transcript

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So they had to act, Patrick Fitzgerald had to act under republican administration and went ahead and charged him anyway so that's politics playing.  Now here?  It all depends, my father has speculated that much of Christie's problem is coming from the extreme right wing of the party I should say, he believes the Koch Brothers have something to do with this.  

Now these are all just speculations.  He thinks because Christie came out with Obama and hugged him during the Sandy Hurricane Storm that that's what lost the election for Romney, that many on the very far right wing want to see this happen and are pushing this and maybe even help fund it.  I can't make any speculations on that.  

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All I can tell you is.  in that office, there's no question in my mind, will politics have a play in this, and there's no question that it will, there's no question that a US Attorney who is looking at a potential Presidential of the United States and investigating him takes it very seriously. Look, we're human and we have to look at the human elements on this.  

Let's suppose a US Attorney is in there and busts Christie, busts him and gets him convicted?  Now his career takes off.  Look at Reid Shar for goodness sakes!  He convicted Blagojevich and now when anybody, a governor is being looked at, they hire him.  Of course that goes into his thinking, but on the other side of it as well, let's suppose you investigate Christie and charge him and he wins and he gets public support. What's a US Attorney in New Jersey going to do with a potential President of the United States who may come in?  Of course he'll think his career is over, of course he'll be dogged.  I mean look how vehemently they went after Patrick Fitzgerald on the Scooter Libby stuff?  The right wing hates him because of the things he did to Scooter Libby.  Now you're going to come out and say that that doesn't play a part, that doesn't really come into account?  I've been in this game too long.  Of course it does.  

The only thing I can't tell you because I'm not real familiar with the players is what side do they come on and who is pushing the buttons?

R.K.:  So let's say that the Feds make the decision to go all out against Christie, what will that look like and how will that affect his life?

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S.A.: Oh well I can tell you this, it will forever change his life, his family's life, if they decide to go full fledged.  I know that there has been some accusations or at least some rumblings that he may have had some people put on a payroll that were looked at for ghost pay-rolling, that one of them was a woman and stayed at some of the same hotels he stayed at.  If there's any truth, any truth to any affairs, it's going to come out.  That's one of the blessings that I had in Blagojevich that he was so devoted to his family, they looked him up and down and there was not a single love note not a single phone call untoward any woman.  That's going to be one of the things that effects whatever decision Christie makes.  And if there is anything out there, and I don't suggest there is, but if there is - 

R.K.: Well there is.  There is Michelle Brown, when he was a US Attorney and she was also, he loaned her fifty thousand dollars and when he became governor he gave her a two hundred and twenty thousand dollar job that she was totally unqualified for, so unqualified for that he had to hire somebody else to do the actual job.  That's what they're reporting.

S.A.: Well then you know when he comes home at night, and I have seen his wife on TV staunchly going after reporters because they were talking about his weight, this is a woman who is dedicated to him, at least publicly.  That's going to effect the rest of his marriage, there's no question, whether it's true or not true.  It's always going to be in the back of the mind of his wife.  What really went on?  And that's of course going to effect the rest of his life.  That's just on a personal level.  Politically we're already seeing huge ramifications just by the investigation.  

You know we say in this country you're innocent until proven guilty, but other than when you actually take the oath as a juror, and I can say this without any hesitation that in my experience, jurors, once they're sworn in really and honestly take it to heart, that's why I love this country. That's why I think this is one of the best systems because they really do, they really do take it to heart, 99.9% of the time.  But in public opinion, so many people have already convicted him on this that it has got to effect his political life.  

Already the Governor of Florida won't do anything in public with him.  Now that's got to effect you tremendously just by the hint of an investigation.  Just by the hint of doing something wrong.  People are backing away from donating campaign contributions which means you can't win as President of the United States.  That's why Obama overwhelmingly won.  It takes money to win at this game.  The republican leader for the governors, chairman I should say, he is the chairman of the Republican Governor Caucus or whatever the actual term it.  You're going to watch, he is going to have to give that up.  

He can't be effective if the Federal Government is investigating him and he goes in to a state where a republican governor needs help and every one is backing away from him.  The Feds can mess your life up completely.  You know that they're going to go right at his taxes, you know that every single thing that's going to happen here, they're going to look at whether or not he reported his taxes right.  You can say anything you want about the Feds but the one person that got away from everything is Al Capone. But they got him on taxes.  That's what is coming.  It's going to really and truly effect the rest of his life.  

R.K.: So it's going to cost him a lot of money to defend this.  I've talked to a number of whistleblowers and folks who the US Attorneys, under Karl Rove have gone after like Don Siegelman and  Cyril Wecht  and John McTiernan, he was the director of a couple of Die Hard movies and he ended up saying something to the FBI that I think was a lie at one point or something, I mean I don't even want to say that but it was a small thing that he is now in jail.

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S.A.: Right.

R.K.: And I know that it costs millions of dollars to defend against these charges.  Where is that money going to come from?  Is he allowed to use the resources of the state to pay for his defense?

S.A.: Now that's a very interesting question.  All I can tell you is in my dealings with this, just like Blagojevich, take Blagojevich as an example. At the moment Blagojevich was arrested he was a sitting governor and he had 2.8 million dollars in his campaign fund.  Now I can say this because it's all a public record because we went before the judge and this is what happened there.  The government said look, he shouldn't be able to use his campaign fund to fund his defense.  

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