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Interview Transcript: Ellen Brown; Public Banking-- the Bottom Up Solution to a Lot of Economic Ills

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Derivatives are essentially bets, but they're called "derivatives" because they're derived from something else.  So you don't actually own the assets, you're betting on the assets.  For example, if you went to the racetrack and you bet on the horses, you would not own the horses, but you would just be betting on who is going to win.  So derivatives are like that.  You can bet on whether interest rates are going to go up or down -- I mean, theoretically, you're hedging your bet.  It's what farmers do, where they would sell their corn early, betting that the price will be a certain price; and whoever buys the futures for the corn is betting that the price will actually be better than that when the corn comes to market, and that they'll make a profit.  So they're both betting on the future: one betting one way, and one betting the other way.  

 

So you have this gigantic derivatives market now that's built up, that's way bigger than the GDP of the world.  In fact, it's about -- well, it depends on who you talk to, but according to the BIS itself (which has fairly reliable numbers), it's over 600 trillion dollars, which is -- wait.  60 Trillion [dollars] is the GDP of the entire world, so 600 trillion is ten times the GDP of the  world.  But some people say it's up to two or three quadrillion, because they're all just numbers.  You don't need to own anything, and therefore you can have bets, upon bets, upon bets, and they're all counted in the figures. 

 

So those outrageous bets are being commingled with JP Morgan's deposit share arms now, and Bank of America's depository arms.  Those are the two biggest derivatives players.  They have, respectively, 79 trillion and 75 trillion [dollars] in derivatives that are mixed with their 1 trillion in deposits.  So if they go bust, the deposits are going to be sucked into that for the derivatives losses - as we saw with MF Global, for example.  So that's more than a definition, sorry! (laughs)

 

Rob Kall:   No, that's good, that's good.  There are some people who say that the solution is to just ban derivatives and eliminate them from the world economy.  Is that possible?  Would that work?  And what would the effect of that be?

 

Ellen Brown:   Up until the nineties - derivatives were considered an illegal form of gambling until they were legalized, so you could certainly do that again.  The problem is unwinding them.  The fear factor is that when you start unwinding them, because all these derivatives players have placed their bets both ways.  They tend to hedge their bets, you know, like Goldman Sachs will do it.  So if they lose one bet, then they can't pay off the other bet - and so [the fear is] the whole thing is this great house of cards, and that it'll all go down and take the economy with it. 

 

But we know that's not actually true, because Iceland did it, for example, and it worked out perfectly well for them.  They just refused to bail out their banks.  Even when Lehman Brothers went down, which precipitated the banking crisis of 2008, they settled up on their derivatives claims and a couple of years  ago.  It can all be netted out.  There will be a little time of trauma, but it could work, I think.

 

Rob Kall:   If it was done, how would that change things?

 

Ellen Brown:   Well, they should get rid of the derivatives where there's not a sale at the end.  You need to protect the farmers, of course, so if you have a real product to sell, then that type of derivative should remain, or that type of future sale should remain.  What should be eliminated is where they are just betting on the market.  You know, bets on bets.  There are these synthetic bets where you don't own anything, and there''s no actual sale at the end of it, even.  You're just betting on what the price is going to be.  They could eliminate all that, and it would be for the good, once you got it done.  There might be a mess while you were breaking some eggs, but in the end /

 

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