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My Interviews With Ethan McCord and Jud Newborn

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Cindy Sheehan: Our next guest on Cindy Sheehan's Soapbox is Dr. Jud Newborn. He's a New York-based author, lecture artist, curator, filmmaker, and songwriter-lyricist. He's an expert on bigotry, extremism, and an activist in the fight for human rights worldwide. Dr. Newborn is a pioneer in the creation of Holocaust museums, serving as a founding historian and curator for New York's Museum of Jewish Heritage from 1986 to 2000. He is the coauthor of the new, critically acclaimed book, Sophie Scholl and the White Rose, anti-Nazi resistance.

Dr. Jud Newborn, welcome to Cindy Sheehan's Soapbox.

Jud Newborn: Thank you, Cindy. I'm glad to be on the Soapbox.

Cindy Sheehan: Oh, cool. The theme of our show today is resistance. And I just had Ethan McCord from the WikiLeaks Collateral Murder tape on, and he, since the tape has been exposed, he's been speaking out about the true horrors of war and trying to get people to understand about the, you know, the racism that's inherent in war and the dehumanization of not only the people that we are bombing, but the soldiers are dehumanized to be able to commit those kind of atrocities. So, here your book that you just wrote is about one of the, I think, greatest war resisters of all time, and that's Sophie Scholl of the White Rose Society. So, would you like to tell my listeners about Sophie and her resistance during World War II?

Jud Newborn: Yes, I'd love to. The book is called, my new book is called Sophie Scholl and the White Rose. It's the companion to an Oscar-nominated German film from 2006, but that wonderful film left people full of questions, and my book tells the whole and complete story of who the White Rose were, how they got to become who they were, in a nutshell. And it's not just Sophie Scholl.

The White Rose were a handful of students, German students at the University of Munich. Two of them, the leaders, were Hans Scholl and his younger sister Sophie. They were former Hitler Youth fanatics, and they made this remarkable and unique transformation to become the greatest heroes of the German anti-Nazi resistance. So that in alone is extraordinary.

And when they made that transformation, which has been a mystery up till now. I finally found out why it happened. They joined with a group of other students and they began--they launched a daring resistance over the period of nine months from June 1942 to February 1943. They issued a staccato burst of six anti-Nazi leaflets calling out upon all Germans to stand up. Essentially what they were doing was speaking truth to power. They wanted Germans to awaken themselves, hear their own conscience, and if they couldn't hear their own conscience the White Rose was trying to instill a sense of conscience in them and to rise in passive resistance, leading to whatever kind of revolt there could be to shake off the system.

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Cindy Sheehan is the mother of Spc. Casey Austin Sheehan, who was KIA in Iraq on 04/04/04. She is a co-founder and President of Gold Star Families for Peace and the author of two books: Not One More Mother's Child and Dear President Bush.
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