I.H.: Yes. I'm not sure, I see the argument but I'm not sure and the reason I hesitate, and again I take a quote from Mao, when Mao again was going, the Red Army during the Civil War were taking over parts of China, Mao said give me two people in a village and I'll have that village.
R.K: Mm.
I.H.: Meaning if you had two people who were so ruthless that they would stop at nothing they could take control of the village. So I see your argument and it's entirely possible but I would, I'm undecided.
R.K.: Yeah I hear ya. Maybe not. So you, a couple other things I just want to throw in from my notes from your book, you say that narcissists react to anyone who challenges them with active or passive aggression. I think that's an important element in looking at them . They're not just attempting to be superior, it's the way they respond. Can you talk a little bit more about how they respond when they're challenged?
I.H.: I think it's the way they respond and also I guess the motivation and the energy that they have and because they see themselves as being entitled to being in positions of power. They see themselves as being entitled to have more than everyone else they have this authority over everyone else and so their energy is absolutely directed towards being in that position.
Anything else is total failure and it's not only total failure it's an absolute injustice of the world that has to be put right. They have to be in positions of authority otherwise the world is wrong. So it's not just that they react, as you say either passively or aggressively, it's that their energy are directed in a way that most normal people's energy isn't. Their career success is one part of the element of most people's life. It's not the all consuming thing but for narcissists this would be the only way to make the world right is that they are in control.
R.K.: So how is that different from a normal person?
I.H.: I think, I thin narcissistic personality disorder is different, the psychology is different, the cognition is different,
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