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Part 2 Greg Palast Interview Transcript: The War Between the Billionaires, And Election Theft

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This is Part 2 of a two part interview transcript, from a recording, which can be found here:
Audio: Greg Palast: The War Between the Billionaires 

Thanks to OEN volunteer editor Don Caldarazzo   for help editing the transcript. 

I spent almost an hour talking with one of the best investigative reporters in the world, Greg Palast, about his newest book, Billionaires and Ballot Bandits. And we got into something very interesting-- that there's a war between two kinds of billionaires-- The vampire squids and the Vultures. And yes, this affects the elections and the nine ways they are going to be stolen and corrupted.

Here's the continuation of the interview (first part of interview can be found here.

Rob Kall: Why didn't the Democrats, when they had control of the House, the Senate, and the White House, get rid of e-voting?

Greg Palast: Because they made a trade.  Number one, the machines that were being used in places like the punch cards, the butterfly ballots, these were costing more votes than the electronic machines.  The Democrats lost in Florida, one hundred- seventy eight thousand votes in 2000 to vote spoilers.

People talked about the butterfly ballot because it was one of the rare times in which rich people in Palm Beach County lost their votes. Black people are used to this.

In the poorest towns in Florida, in Gadsden, they didn't lose a hundred votes.  In Gadsden one in 8 votes, was lost due to machine error in the blackest,  poorest town in 2000. 

That stuff hasn't ended.  So the Democrats thought, okay, we will give money to upgrade machines because we're losing votes. And so Karl Rove, being quite brilliant, in the Help America Vote Act (HAVA) said okay. Well you know, they basically pushed it toward electronic machines through bribery.  And by the way, if you're wondering why the Democrats do it, it's called bribes. The Democratic Secretary of State of New Mexico bought unbelievably expensive, malfunctioning e-voting machines, for example, which lost every single vote for President in certain Hispanic districts, and that was a Democrat, her name is Rebecca Vigil-Giron and she's on our name to prison now for the bribery. That's how it works.

Rob Kall: What machines did they buy?

Greg Palast: In her case, it was ES & S machines.

Rob Kall: Well I have to tell you, Greg.  I live in Bucks country and that's what Bucks County uses. They bought used machines, I believe, from New Mexico.

Greg Palast: (laughs) I like that! So, therefore, you know what Democrats are doing?  Thinking, oh, I'll get around the electronic voting problem by sending in my ballot absentee. Shmuck. Don't... Go... Postal.  Never mail in your ballot unless you absolutely must.  Cause if you think they'll steal it electronically, why are you mailing it to them? It's really easy to steal it that way.  All you need to do is have a mismark on your ballot, the wrong color envelope, the wrong shaped envelope, the wrong postage, you signed it differently on the outside of the envelope than the inside, you used a return address which does not match your voting address, used a middle initial when you didn't register with a middle initial, or you left the middle initial out when you registered with a middle initial.  

Four hundred eighty-eight thousand [488,000] absentee ballots were mailed in and never counted in the 2008 race.  That's a half a million ballots for minor glitches. And this time it's going to quadruple because the Republicans have an operation, a huge challenge operation.  And they are going to go through every absentee ballot, and go through every one of the rules, and say that envelope was not properly sealed, someone used a different envelope, they didn't sign their name. This time instead of four hundred eighty-eight thousand absentee ballots in the garbage, figure two million minimum. Every expert I've talked to agrees with me, at least two million. So 'don't go postal' that's rule one in the ways beat the ballot bandits.  Re-register, that's rule three.  Rule two, which I just skipped is vote early, so walk your ballot in.  So what you can do in places like New York, and I think you can do in many others places, is actually ask for the paper ballot, but do it in precinct, and do it at your early voting, so that if they say you've done it wrong, or if they say you're not registered, you can correct it. That's three of the steps, and there's seven but we don't have the time. But go to, download that poster, memorize it, give it to your mom, and your girlfriend, and your wife, and not at the same time, and make sure that you get it, and then if you read B illionaires and Ballot Bandits, which you can do until the Patriot Act 3 goes into effect, then you can learn how they're going to steal it ,so you can protect yourself and warn people.

Rob Kall: Okay, now you talk about Penny Pritzker and Robert Rubin in the book, in your chapter "Pennies from Heaven." Talk a little about there. That's the Obama side of this story. Talk a little bit about the Obama Billionaires. You said there are seven of them.

Greg Palast:   Yes, Obama has his billionaires,too. And remember, Obama crushed McCain in terms of money from big finance. Banks were the oil companies for the 2008 election and they all went for Obama. And why? First of all, who ever heard of Barack Obama, which means "the one we've been waiting for," right, the blessed one, we've been"well who was waiting for him? Who ever heard of this guy? And not many people go in four years from the cesspool known as the Illinois State Legislature, to the Oval Office. Someone picked him out, and that was Penny Pritzker. Penny Pritzker is a rogue banker billionaire.  She ran, she owned something called Superior Bank on the South side of Chicago, which virtually invented the sub-prime loan: the worst racist, steering, predatory lending foreclosures... It was basically a vampire bank.  It was so bad that the Feds closed it down (if you can believe it), they actually shut that bank down because of its predatory practices and fined Penny Pritzker four hundred million dollars [$400M] personally.  I don't think the federal government's ever fined one person four hundred million dollars, except for Penny Pritzker.  But, for Penny that was pennies, because she's worth about 3 billion.  She decided to take the local state senator, who represented the victims of her bank,

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