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September 7, 2008 at 04:14:03

Headlined on 9/7/08:
High Treason: 'Pentagon Lied to the 911 Commission' ; Bush's Theory Falls Apart

by Len Hart     Page 1 of 5 page(s)

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911 Commission co-chairs claim that they were misled, perhaps deliberately, by the Bush administration and Pentagon brass. Because 911 was an act of mass murder overtly covered up by the Bush administration, the many lies by Bush amount to more than mere obstructions of justice or cover ups. They amount to high treason --a mechanism by which this administration seized power unconstitutionally. Holes in Bush's theories are holes in Bush's theories. Lack of evidence in support of Bush does not refute his critics who point them out. Bush's many lies and overt efforts to obstruct justice, it is hoped, will bring about the 'controlled demolition' of this illegal and illegitimate regime.

Instead of making a big scene and dropping a bombshell so-to-speak, the commission 'compromised' and deferred to the justice department so that it could pursue criminal investigations.

Some staff members and commissioners of the Sept. 11 panel concluded that the Pentagon's initial story of how it reacted to the 2001 terrorist attacks may have been part of a deliberate effort to mislead the commission and the public rather than a reflection of the fog of events on that day, according to sources involved in the debate.

Suspicion of wrongdoing ran so deep that the 10-member commission, in a secret meeting at the end of its tenure in summer 2004, debated referring the matter to the Justice Department for criminal investigation, according to several commission sources. Staff members and some commissioners thought that e-mails and other evidence provided enough probable cause to believe that military and aviation officials violated the law by making false statements to Congress and to the commission, hoping to hide the bungled response to the hijackings, these sources said.

9/11 Panel Suspected Deception by Pentagon

As we are all well aware, criminal charges were never made and it looks like interest in pursuing 'justice' wasn't a top priority for the Department of Justice.

The panel agreed to a compromise, turning over the allegations to the inspectors general for the Defense and Transportation departments, who can make criminal referrals if they believe they are warranted, officials said.

"We to this day don't know why NORAD [the North American Aerospace Command] told us what they told us," said Thomas H. Kean, the former New Jersey Republican governor who led the commission. "It was just so far from the truth. . . . It's one of those loose ends that never got tied."
Liberals have been shouting the Bush Administration for some time now. In fact, the hatred for our administration is so strong that Republicans had to concoct rhetoric in order to deal with the anger. "BDS" short for Bush Derangement Syndrome is all that the GOP die-hards could come up with to combat the allegations of impropriety and lawlessness that best characterizes President Bush and his administration of bandits.

 --Did the Pentagon Lie To 9/11 Commission?

I recently posted NTSB data indicating that Flight 77 never dropped below 273 feet after take off and could not, therefore, have crashed into the Pentagon! Damien followed up with NTSB data contradicting every Bush administration statement with regard to Flight 93, another mysterious crash characterized by the lack of airliner wreckage. [See: NTSB Filght Data: Official 'Explanation' of Flight 93 is a Criminal Fraud!; NTSB Flight Data: Flight 77 Could Not Have Crashed into the Pentagon]
Pilots for 9/11 Truth is an organization of aviation professionals and pilots throughout the globe who have gathered together for one purpose. We are committed to seeking the truth surrounding the events of the 11th of September 2001. Our main focus concentrates on the four flights, maneuvers performed and the reported pilots. We do not offer theory or point blame at this point in time. However, we are focused on determining the truth of that fateful day based on solid data and facts -- since 9/11/2001 is the catalyst for many of the events shaping our world today -- and the United States Government doesn't seem to be very forthcoming with answers or facts.

 Pilots for 911 Truth

Damien, a regular contributor to The Existentialist Cowboy, has put together an exhaustive survey of disturbing holes in the official theories concerning Flight 93 which we have been expected to believe crashed in PA. Following is Damien's report:

 


The evidence discrepancies from Flight 77 are echoed in the absurdities of Flight 93. This from Pilots for 911 Truth:

 

1. The NTSB Flight Path Animation approach path and altitude does not support observations.

2. All Altitude data on the northern approach contradicts witnesses published by the New York Times.

3. Witness observations of approach path contradict northern approach as described by Popular Mechanics and the US Govt. Several witnesses observed the aircraft approaching from southeast over Indian Lake and from the south prior to witnessing explosion. Parts found in New Baltimore, 8 miles southeast of crater is a direct contradiction to the northern approach claimed by the US Govt.

4. Environmental Protection Agency reports no soil contamination of jet fuel after testing 5,000-6,000 yards of earth including 3 ground wells. Smoke plume photographed by a witness does not suggest a jet fuel rich explosion.

5. Impact angle according to Flight Data Recorder does not support an almost vertical impact as the govt story and crater suggests.

That's right, the flight data recorder has the plane impacting upside down at 40 degrees to the horizontal. You could google all day and never find an image showing where the huge tail hit the ground! You will only ever see vertical impact photos. The only photo shows a smoke plume more consistent with a smaller ordinance explosion. There are no heavy kerosene fumes filling the sky. According to FDR data there was 17.01 tons (5,500 gals) of fuel left at time of impact. Yet the EPA found no ground contamination from jet fuel. Unbelievable!

"We (were) literally surrounded by debris, and there's a very strong odor of scorched earth," witness Jim Parsons reported. "It doesn't smell like jet fuel, it smells like ... How do you describe it? Burned earth. It smells like burned earth." - Pittsburgh Channel (09/11/01)

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Bob Gormleyelectronic technician, truth seeker

Great Job Len

   You really tied a lot of things together to bring home a very

convincing argument (not that I needed any convincing). Bush has to be brought down.

     Bush and company are very afraid... they want to bring down as many 

people as they can before they go down ( ie instigating wars left and right).

However, these guys are the mere puppets, there are diabolical forces behind them which will be more difficult to locate.

by Bob Gormley (1 articles, 0 quicklinks, 3 diaries, 937 comments) on Sunday, September 7, 2008 at 6:26:47 AM
 


Len Hart is a Houston based film/video producer specializing in shorts and full-length documentaries. He is a former major market and network correspondent; credits include CBS, ABC-TV and UPI. He maintains the progressive blog: The Existentialist Cowboy
Len HartLen Hart is a Houston based film/video producer specializing in shorts and full-length documentaries. He is a former major market and network correspondent; credits include CBS, ABC-TV and UPI. He maintains the progressive blog: The Existentialist Cowboy

thanks bob

I've got two more articles in the series that I will be posting.

I appreciate your support and am encouraged by the polls. As I recall, something like 80 percent of Americans doubt the official cover story of 911.

Those who were skeptical of Bush's cover story were unfairly called 'conspiracy theorists' when, in fact, it was Bushco who rolled out a cover story that was, in fact, the most outlandish CONSPIRACY THEORY of them all. It was and remains full of holes. It could NOT have happened.

by Len Hart (132 articles, 174 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 550 comments) on Sunday, September 7, 2008 at 7:26:15 AM
 


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Excellent

Think I'll send this to Obama.

If they ARE serious about excorciating these Neocon criminals from our government, 9/11 is THE place to start unraveling this whole ugly ball of wax, and who has better visability for doing that right now?

There's an investigative/ fact-sharing session on 9/11 to be held in Andover, Mass, next weekend, with important speakers on this subject, including Bugliosi, who wants to bring Bush up on murder charges for this.

(except a knowledgible friend who researches the FBI says he's the mole in the group).

 

by Bia Winter (4 articles, 0 quicklinks, 10 diaries, 404 comments) on Sunday, September 7, 2008 at 9:21:54 AM
 


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You really think Obama will touch 9/11?

As far as BO is concerned the official story of 9/11 is gospel. That pretty much makes him a co-conspirator and just as guilty as anyone involved in this crime, and as far as I'm concerned he can hang with the rest.

The fact that this government is ignoring a vast number of it's people concerning 9/11 (not one word about it in any way was made at the DNC) pretty much shows they have something to hide. Because when the truth finally washes these criminals from the scene both the Democratic and Republican parties will be buried so deep as to be equated with the Nazi Party.

by Mr M (4 articles, 0 quicklinks, 15 diaries, 1696 comments) on Sunday, September 7, 2008 at 11:44:34 AM
 


Len Hart is a Houston based film/video producer specializing in shorts and full-length documentaries. He is a former major market and network correspondent; credits include CBS, ABC-TV and UPI. He maintains the progressive blog: The Existentialist Cowboy
Len HartLen Hart is a Houston based film/video producer specializing in shorts and full-length documentaries. He is a former major market and network correspondent; credits include CBS, ABC-TV and UPI. He maintains the progressive blog: The Existentialist Cowboy

you're right about Obama

He will not touch 911. Our only hope is that a Federal Grand Jury in White Plains, NY will wrap up its investigation in time to indict Bush as he departs the White House.

Sadly, I have not been able to get any additional information or update with regard to this GJ since the news broke about two years ago that it had convened for the purpose of investigating 911. 

Usually, grand jury investigations, though secret, are plagued with links and witnesses always have ulterior motives for telling what they told the panel. 

Not this time. I hope it didn't just disband amid no publicity. 

by Len Hart (132 articles, 174 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 550 comments) on Sunday, September 7, 2008 at 1:02:12 PM
 



Wolfie

The Big Lie


by Larry Chin

     
In his much-ballyhooed acceptance speech, Barack Obama declared that he would "finish the fight against the terrorists who actually attacked us on 9/11". If Obama wishes to be true to his promise, he could begin with his own running mate, Senator Joe Biden.

Biden and the ISI chief


Biden was one of several top Washington officials who met with Lieutenant General Mahmoud Ahmad, the head of Pakistan's Inter Services Intelligence (ISI) on and around September 11, 2001.

The ISI is a foreign branch of the CIA. "Al-Qaeda" is a covert operation that is managed by Anglo-American military-intelligence. Ahmad, the "9/11 money man" who delivered funds to alleged lead suicide hijacker Mohammed Atta prior to the attacks, met personally with Biden on September 13, 2001.

This case, detailed in Michel Chossodovsky's Political Deception: Missing Link Behind 9/11, remains one of hundreds of smoking guns revealing direct US connections to 9/11, for which Biden has never provided a credible explanation.

Biden's tune has remained unchanged, to this day. He wants to "finish the fight against al-Qaeda and the Taliban", and (in language that appears to be the new neoliberal "talking point") "take out the ones who actually attacked us on 9/11".

The fact that Biden and McCain, two major shills for the "war on terrorism" lie, are vying for White House power speaks for itself.

When recently confronted by an independent journalist about his meeting with Mahmoud Ahmad, Biden offered a series of non-sequitors, and then had his security guards escort the inquiring individual away.

Biden the insider

Dirty politics and back-door deals are nothing new for Biden, the perfect neoliberal establishment insider who has made a career of opportunism, obstruction, 

BIDEN, the senator of Delaware, the largest tax haven for corporations in the US, has played a key role in virtually every major US policy decision over the past two decades. Every military conflict. Supreme Court confirmations. Cabinet confirmations. Judiciary appointments. Congressional probes (cover-ups) of major political scandals.

Biden, a longtime Council on Foreign Relations stalwart, is a leading architect of "Homeland Security". He considers his "national security credentials" to be "unimpeachable".


Joe Biden and his longtime Senate colleague and war criminal/Keating Five "friend" McCain are as responsible for the current world crisis as anyone else alive.

Obama's bombastic deception

If Barack Obama genuinely wishes to "take out" those who "actually attacked us" on 9/11, he would "take out" the legions of elite sponsors who have made his own rise to power possible.

He could begin with his own foreign policy guru, super-elite Zbigniew Brzezinski, the virtual creator of Islamic terrorism during the Carter administration, who suggested that a Pearl Harbor-like attack, a "massive and widely perceived external threat" would be useful; the man whose vision of "American primacy" and destablization across the Eurasian "Grand Chessboard" has been a lifelong obsession.

Obama might also "take out" the Clintons, and other neoliberal bigwigs supporting his campaign, given the fact that they were instrumental in sowing the seeds of 9/11 throughout the 1990s. Obama should "take out" members of Bush-Cheney, and members of Reagan and George H.W. Bush presidencies, and a worldwide legion of covert operatives, policy advisors, think tank figures (Project for a New American Century, etc.), and oil executives who "lit the match". He might also tell the truth about the global war for oil.

Obama, of course, will do nothing of the sort. 

Obama will do nothing. He will leave intact the abomination of the Patriot Act, permit illegal surveilliance, torture and renditions. He will endorse the cover-up of the 9/11 Commission, and deepen the militarization of the US homeland.

The winner of the 2008 election: the Big Lie

 Senator Joseph Biden (D-Del) said, "Let me tell you something, fellas. The folks don't care. The average American could care less right now about any of this. You keep talking about public concern. There ain't none."


Today, Bush-Cheney and the respective presidential campaigns hold the people of the world in even greater contempt.

The election is already over.

 the classic neoliberal establishment deception of Obama-Biden?

The "Big Lie" comes with both.
 

 

by Wolfie (9 articles, 0 quicklinks, 33 diaries, 1208 comments) on Sunday, September 7, 2008 at 12:04:49 PM
 


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I'm constantly amazed over the magnitude

of the lie that is 9/11. It is the lynch-pin to all that will fall in it's wake. Every corrupt politician, greedy industrialist, perverted banker, media propagandaist and ancient power-mad dynasty will crumble.

Do to Hurricane Gustav I've been in exile in the deep hills of Tennessee staying with my sister and her husband, and let me tell you, this part of the country couldn't be any more fooled by our whole phony political system. But when 9/11 is exposed, and I say when, because I just can't help but believe that it will, this isn't the Kennedy killings, 9/11 was so blatant and sloppy, there are just so many holes, witnesses and evidence, to possibly keep it covered like they have in the past for me to believe that it won't, and when it does, the outrage these people are going to feel will rip through the halls of the elites with such a fury that the Obama's and Biden's won't have a chance to defend themselves - mainly because there is no defence. How can anyone in power possibly explain they're in the dark about 9/11 when any lay-person can gather enough evidence in one afternoon to convince them it was an inside job? After all, isn't it their job to be politically in-tune? The same of course goes double for MSM. How can you call yourself a "news organization" and completely miss the biggest crime of all time?  

It's been interesting, my sister being as straight an arrow as there is and her husband, who is ex-Naval intel are getting a crash-course education on 9/11 from me. At first they were totally not interested, but now after 4 DVD's and the inability of me to keep my mouth shut, they've gone from "that's bull-shit", to curious. And that's all one has to do is get someone looking into it and from there it takes on a life of its own.

Today my brother-in-law asked that if this is truly an inside job, what can we do about it? He understood that neither party will expose this because they'd have to both be part of it. This is a huge step for a man that just a few days ago was talking Palin's praises.

It's going to happen, but as I explained to him, it can't happen fast enough. The cretins that pulled-off 9/11 are still in power and they are well aware of the steam the 9/11 movement is picking up and that because of this it might be the most dangerous times we face, because before they allow themselves to be held accountable they'll scorch this Earth.

We live in interesting times, and we will live to see this played out, because whatever is going to happen is going to happen sooner rather than later.

by Mr M (4 articles, 0 quicklinks, 15 diaries, 1696 comments) on Sunday, September 7, 2008 at 5:11:17 PM
 


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pftAmerican Expat in Asia

As I consider the puzzle

I  reach the conclusion that those who conducted 9/11, did it in a way to cast doubt on what was to be the official story.  They want those who can think to figure it out.  The weakest link in it's being an inside job was that these people are smarter than this.  So it must be true that they want us to know they did it, and the fact that DRG can get his books published and distributed w/o any problem indicates this is true. 

One reason of course is they want us to fear them.  Fear is a great weapon of the elite, and who could not fear a government that would allow or even do 9/11 and then cover it up or ignore all the evidence that has come out.  The Tasers we see repeatedly and handling of the demonstrations just adds to this.  So they got the right terrorized over Al Qaeda, and the left terrorized of their own government (some of them anyways).  Terror for everyone, financial, health, whatever.  They feed on it.

There is another reason of course.  So they can know who questions the official version.    People who can reason and think and resist the propaganda are the greatest danger to those who would impose a Totalitarian regime. Look at Stalin, Hitler, Mao, etc, they all go after the intellectuals and others who would dare to question authority.  In the age of the internet, they can find out who you are much more easily.

The Police state apparatus is in place, so they are not scared of anyone.  It started with Jimmy Carter and FEMA with the bogus TMI accident (sabotage) on it's first day of operation to terrorize people and turn them off nuclear power so as to protect the Petrodollar , and continued through the Clinton years, but it has accelerated and become legalized under Bush over these past 7 years. 

People will not face this truth, they are too fearful, and the elite know this.   But in studying history, I find 9/11 as horrible as it seems to us today, is not without precedent and pales in comparison to many crimes against humanity which did not get live television coverage.  Most genocides and holocausts, and the wars over the last century or two,  were planned by people of the same ilk as who did 9/11. 

Evil floats to the top (the dumb ones in the lower classes get caught in the prison industrial complex).  There are no laws at the top of the food chain.  We are just beasts to them, not worth of being called human, the laws are made for us to protect them. 

Maybe ignorance is bliss after all.  Revolutions never start from the bottom, it is always organized by an opposing power from the top (internal or external).  Unfortunately, under the guise of Globalization, the elite are essentially united globally, so there is no opposing power to rile the masses.   Even in 1776 it is said no more than 5% of the population took part in the Revolution, and it's leaders were virtually all Freemasons as the American revolution like the French revolution was driven by the Illuminati. 

They may not agree on everything, but they do agree that " it's us (them) vs them (us)", so anything that gives us more power over them is not going to happen.  

So a world in which there is a Democracy and government that looks after the general welfare of it's people is history, and has been for some time.

 

by pft (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 499 comments) on Sunday, September 7, 2008 at 9:29:40 PM
 


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Where's the Anger?

Bill Christison is quoted:  "We must force the Bush administration to discuss it."

Who is "We"? 

The so-called opposition (Democrats) cannot forget the charge that they do not "support our troops," no matter to what treacherous tasks "our troops" have been assigned.

What else is there?  The people?  Too many are still unaware.  Yet more choose to affirm their partisan persuasion above the compelling need to examine what is happening.

Perhaps the "We" will ultimately be history, the American electorate lacking the awareness or the intelligence, and the political opposition lacking the integrity and courage.

People tell me that I am angry, and that anger never accomplishes anything.  But they are wrong -- I am fuggin' outraged!  And other than history, only more outrage from the people ourselves -- betrayed by our political choices of whatever persuasion -- will deliver us the truth.

Sadly, we have and will get what we deserve, and mind you, there is more to come!

by Rafe Pilgrim (33 articles, 0 quicklinks, 12 diaries, 43 comments) on Sunday, September 7, 2008 at 9:37:32 AM
 


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We can't wait on "history"

There is no history. If there is one thing g. w. bush said that was both chilling and true about his ilks cause was when asked about how history would view his legacy he answered, "History?, Who cares? We'll all be dead."

And indeed it is the Lucifarians view that they will leave this Earth devoid of life.

You are right to be out-raged. I hear it all the time that if I would just calm down more people would listen. But how does one remain calm about 9/11? How do you discuss the murder of 3,000 people and watch those that perpetrated this crime use it to kill millions more and not be passionate? We're not discussing the price of tomatoes here.

But we're not the only ones angry. Those that are still caught in the matrix have anger ingrained in them and fined tuned by psych-ops masters of deceit, (MoD) and that anger is directed by said masters to be used against anyone but them. The Niggers and Jews of yesteryear, become the Towel-headed A-rabs of today, and the Russians are back to being our "Godless Commies" of yesterday. But the problems remain the same. And the lower-middle class and middle-class are starting to feel the squeeze of the elites pincher's. The MoD are flailing about now trying to direct that anger, and are having only measured success keeping that anger under control.

And indeed, in the Art of War, to use one's anger against them means you expend less energy and get more done.

So what I do now is listen first.

Let me repeat that.

Listen first.

Every one has some anger about something now and it will surface. It could be the price of gas, crime, whatever, so sit back and wait, it won't take long, and ask, as though you really want to know, "what do you think is causing that?"

And than do something amassing, listen again.

They're going to blame someone, not themselves, but someone, or thing. Let them rant.

Then ask,"How many political parties have they had a choice to choose from all their adult life?"

"Two"

"Why vote for either one of them?"

The idea is to direct that anger. It's there. But as people with knowledge it is our job to convey that knowledge to break people out of the matrix first without in their minds having to take sides in that the left/right paradigm trap set for them. Once the idea that it might be something else besides just this or that, right or left, nigger or Jew, but perhaps the very people that have been in charge for the past 10, 20, 30 or so years, no matter what "party" things have gotten worse, they're anger is bigger, and neither party is doing a thing about it.

If you pull come out with "9/11 inside job" right off the bat you can get pigeon-holed fairly easily, but once you find that common enemy, you can direct their anger against those that need it directed to.

Try it sometime. This advice mostly works in one on one or small group situations, with mostly the not well informed, but if you can get one dye-hard caught in the matrix yahoo, they're worth a thousand so-called intellectuals.

Will any of this work? Does it mean we'll overcome and defeat these evil bastards?

Hell if I know? If the people in the so-called "heartland" are any example I'd have to say we might as well suck on a bullet now.

But what choice do we have when we staring at a future that will have no history?

 

 

 

by Mr M (4 articles, 0 quicklinks, 15 diaries, 1696 comments) on Sunday, September 7, 2008 at 6:52:07 PM
 


I am retired with not enough money saved to counter inflation and being forced back into the work force. I am a vet, (Vietnam era), extremely disappointed with the aggressive, imperialistic direction this country has taken in Iraq, to control and usurp it's oil, and the extent to which BOTH parties are complicit.
Nick van NesI am retired with not enough money saved to counter inflation and being forced back into the work force. I am a vet, (Vietnam era), extremely disappointed with the aggressive, imperialistic direction this country has taken in Iraq, to control and usurp it's oil, and the extent to which BOTH parties are complicit.

You're losing me

And I’m not sure if it’s me, being not as intellectual as you, or you being too profound and/or vague. You’ve made some good, convincing points and you’ve got my attention but I don’t understand how you think we might best proceed.  Most of us are ignorant and brainwashed and fully indoctrinated into believing that a President of the United States could never intentionally murder 3000 of his own as an excuse to invade another country for its oil. And yet the evidence suggesting so is compelling and growing and the president’s inability and unwillingness to try to dissuade us is increasingly clear. In the meantime our representatives in congress and the mainstream media are proving to be incorrigibly unapproachable and complicit. Meek and leaderless. Everyone would like to get rid of the bad guys, but we can’t just lynch them or take to the streets and start robbing our shopping centers. To what end? We need the system, the judiciary, to tell us who the bad guys are. But the administration has already infiltrated and corrupted the judiciary. Now more than ever we need to come together but we are being held apart by the two party system that is supposed to unite us. I voted for Nader last time and I am temped to do so again even though the effects of having done so were disastrous. Still, he and Kucinich and Wexler are the only ones I trust, the only ones who stand up the rest. Would it not be better to do this in stages, i.e. at least get the opposition party in place and work from there to improve matters, seek justice on 9/11, undo the patriot act, etc?

by Nick van Nes (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 179 comments) on Monday, September 8, 2008 at 9:07:37 AM
 


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gravity32I am a chemist and able to contribute to the debate about thermite.

NIST and WTC 7

Excellent new material comes out now and then. Some has been created to enlighten the reader about what can be deduced from the recent NIST report on WTC 7. Here is a short video (9 min) which encapsulates the complete argument. It is well worth watching for education, regardless of which side you are on.

And here is another short video which provides more enlightenment in a different way. Well worth the brief time it takes.

 

by gravity32 (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 174 comments) on Sunday, September 7, 2008 at 10:19:21 AM
 


Attempting in a UK context to connect the world of 911 truth activism/false-flag terrorism awareness and the Voting integrity community, where I am seeking to alert the Electoral Reform Society to the dangers of the UK 'modernising' its voting mechanism, and awaken the peace movement to the 'Frats', Brotherhoods and 'Men's huts' which threaten our one Earth Motherland.
Keith MotherssonAttempting in a UK context to connect the world of 911 truth activism/false-flag terrorism awareness and the Voting integrity community, where I am seeking to alert the Electoral Reform Society to the dangers of the UK 'modernising' its voting mechanism, and awaken the peace movement to the 'Frats', Brotherhoods and 'Men's huts' which threaten our one Earth Motherland.

Good stuff, Len, but ....

I think none of us should assume that ANY 'Flights' flew that day, not ending at Shansville, nor Pentagon nor Manhattan etiher, weird as it may sound to many - but see Morgan Reynolds logical and physics based critique - What Planes? - and also see the amazing September Clues series of short videofakery analyses of the 'coverage' that day. Phoney 'eye-witnesses' planted, but only dots on screens interposed in real time or in subsequent 'lucky finds' - see also 9/11 Amateur series.

 

Also Len, please check out Judy Wood's reasons for disbelieving the molten metal story of the thermite believers.  She charges faked photos and reports by the FEMA controlled ground crew and hearsay by approved visitors. But if there was molten metal in the basement, how come now huge steam explosions as soon as (from Day 1) they started to hose the site down ? see www.drjudywood.com and www.checktheevidence.com

 UNless we wise up to videofakery in real time and to Directed Eenergy Weapons they can pull such stunts again in the future, e.g. Lockheed Martin hs begun (post Georgia invasion) to boast of how they can zap/fry stuff froma huge distance and do so with no one knowing who did it. Suppose we are shown real/fake satellite footage of Russian tanks approaching Tiblisi and then some vital installations or planes or tanks are zapped with DEW ...... wouldn't most people add 2 and 2 = 4 but really they will have been duped.

 Of course we are all on the same side for prosecution/truth commisisons but we must not suppress truth concerns for tactics of getting an inquiry (by whom, on what basis?) because people need the knowledge of DEW, No Planes and Videofakery right now!

(or at least begin the process of learning, e.g. learning not to sneer, begin to overcome amazement (no time like th present) or else the elite can always steer us into divisions through our personal contempt and fear systems which stop us calmly investigating and discussing together as citizens becoming finally ready for freedom and equality)

Peace!

 

by Keith Mothersson (6 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 58 comments) on Sunday, September 7, 2008 at 11:09:58 AM
 


Cassie is the OpEd pen name for a writer, musician, and filmmaker.
CassieCassie is the OpEd pen name for a writer, musician, and filmmaker.

Video fakery

I'm sorry, but I think you are being conned by Wood and Fetzer.  I am a film professional and the "video fakery" you suggest simply is not possible.  Neither are directed energy weapons of such magnitude. If you rebut me, please include cited and available facts.  There are also more than a few witnesses who saw airplanes.  Please don't say they were holograms, McCain and Palin are funny enough and my sides are hurting pretty badly already.

by Cassie (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 1 diaries, 14 comments) on Sunday, September 7, 2008 at 11:26:04 AM
 


Len Hart is a Houston based film/video producer specializing in shorts and full-length documentaries. He is a former major market and network correspondent; credits include CBS, ABC-TV and UPI. He maintains the progressive blog: The Existentialist Cowboy
Len HartLen Hart is a Houston based film/video producer specializing in shorts and full-length documentaries. He is a former major market and network correspondent; credits include CBS, ABC-TV and UPI. He maintains the progressive blog: The Existentialist Cowboy

witnesses

Two key 'witnessess' could not have seen both Flight 77 AND whatever it was that struck the Pentagon. Whatever struck the Pentagon would have passed behind them IF they had, in fact, seen a 757. The  flight data released by NTSB indicates [FOIA] Flight 77 was on a trajectory that differed from that of whatever struck the Pentagon by some 20 degrees; see the analysis of NTSB flight data by qualified pilots and computer experts here.  

by Len Hart (132 articles, 174 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 550 comments) on Sunday, September 7, 2008 at 12:55:12 PM
 


I am an individual who is interested in exposing the true events of the 9/11 attacks.
CB BrooklynI am an individual who is interested in exposing the true events of the 9/11 attacks.

I address all these issues...

in this article: Debunking the 9/11 *Anti-No-Plane-Theory* Myths. That type of video fakery certainly is possible. Technology Review Magazine even reported on its use as specifically for the purpose of altering world politics by inserting CGIs on the evening news.

The "truth movement" has really got to "wake up" to the facts. There were no plane crashes at any of the four "crash sites".  None. That includes the World Trade Center.

No one reported the deafening sound of a wide-body commercial airliner hitting the tower at full throttle. There were First Responders, however, who saw planes, but specifically reported hearing "nothing". Have you seen the Washington Post article detailing the military's PSYOPS hologram program?

Everything in the above paragraphs is linked to the source in Debunking the 9/11 *Anti-No-Plane-Theory* Myths. Take a look.

by CB Brooklyn (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 423 comments) on Sunday, September 7, 2008 at 10:22:55 PM
 


Freeeeeedom!
Ron R.Freeeeeedom!

Energy weapons

If you are conducting a real investigation you should take nothing for granted and assume nothing. That includes verifying that planes did actually hit. If energy weapons had something to do with this, we are in deep poo-poo. Nobody's going to be able to prove it and nobody's going to believe it. But if this is really something you would like to research, I would suggest looking for the wtcufo videos that came out shortly after 9/11. There were about 3 movies going around from 3 different angles, and three different reporters, that showed what looked like UFO's flying by the trade center at the moment it was hit. One of them hovered for a long time in one spot and then just as the plane was about to crash it flew by at an exceptional speed. These videos have been removed from websites over the years and that Sci-Fi fake one has spread around so much that it's very hard to find these more credible ones. I saved them and might even be able to find them if you are interested.

by Ron R. (0 articles, 0 quicklinks, 7 diaries, 132 comments) on Monday, September 8, 2008 at 6:13:01 AM
 


I have a special interest in discussing 9/11 conspiracy theories, and am still looking for one that makes the slightest bit of sense after objectively reading and evaluating them for several years now. I am familiar with most of the conspiracy web sites and what they have to say, as well as with NIST's NCSTAR1, FEMA's WTC Building Performance Study, and a number of 9/11 debunking web sites also. The latter tend to be far more logical than the conspiracy sites, and not only express opinions, but ...

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albury smithI have a special interest in discussing 9/11 conspiracy theories, and am still looking for one that makes the slightest bit of sense after objectively reading and evaluating them for several years now. I am familiar with most of the conspiracy web sites and what they have to say, as well as with NIST's NCSTAR1, FEMA's WTC Building Performance Study, and a number of 9/11 debunking web sites also. The latter tend to be far more logical than the conspiracy sites, and not only express opinions, but ...

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The witness

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who was right there, probably just failed to notice all of the sounds of "explosives" right before the collapses, and needs you to tell him about them. Why would an observation that obvious to so many onlookers be suspicious to you, since many of them, including NYPD and FDNY personnel, looked at the damage and intense fires and predicted that the towers were going to collapse? Is it because some goofball like Sophia Shafquat tells you what to think? Btw, I found a video of you on 9/11, too:

by albury smith (1 articles, 0 quicklinks, 0 diaries, 396 comments) on Tuesday, September 9, 2008 at 7:50:23 PM