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Rob Kall's Vision: A Transcript of His Interview With Envision This!

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H1: Yeah I agree with that, we have a couple of cooperatives here in Maine,

H2: We're grown co-ops like Fed-Co, yeah

H1: Fed-Co Seeds - probably the bigger one, [SS with H2] and that's who we buy our seeds from when we plant for food.  Rob, why do you feel there is great power in stories?

R: You know I, I ran a conference on stories for 6 years called Storycon Summit Meeting on the Art, Science, and Application of Story, and I've come to believe that human's brains evolved to support story telling.

H1: mhmm

H2: mmm

R: People sat around the fire and they told stories and people who could tell good stories could get other people to listen to them and work with them and trust them and care about them. I really believe that if you can tell a story instead of give facts, it is profoundly more powerful and persuasive. I've done consulting with members at Congress and local candidates and I really believe that if you're running a campaign and you're giving a stump speech, if you just tell, well these are the issues I care about and I want sustainable energy I want to have voting where everybody gets to give equal donations, what have you, I think it's not nearly as powerful as if you say a story that you lived in your life that gave you an experience that taught you to care about those issues. And if you can do that and if you can weave stories into whatever it is you're trying to persuade people to do or to buy or to embrace, it's much more powerful.  If you go to church you hear stories.

H1: mhmm

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R: And one thing that got me interested and motivated to run the conference was I realized that the after energy and transportation, I think the story business is one of the biggest business in the world. It's, it's not just books and newspapers and magazines and blogs and websites, and movies and television, it's marketing, it's the law, it's religion, it's politics. It's hard to be a person in this world without dealing with and - without encountering stories everywhere you go. And if you're going to be a part of the community, that community has a collection of stories that defines what it is and who it is and what it stands for, and if you're an individual, you're a person made up of stories and it's the stories that define who you are.

H2: hmm

H1: That just leads us right in to the next question which is: what kinds of stories can help people at the bottom claim their power, reclaim their power?

R: Well that's a good question. I really like the writing of Paulo Freire who wrote the book, the Pedagogy of the Oppressed.

H2: mmhmm

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R: If you're an activist and you're not familiar with that book, you gotta read it. It's an amazing, ah book that just celebrated its forty-fifth anniversary. I - the first copy I bought was a twenty-fifth anniversary edition from 1993 and at that time a half a million copies had been sold. Basically the message there is that people who are oppressed and their oppressors are both victims.

H1: mhmm

H2: mhmm

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