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H2: Yeah I think - I think it will be. It occurs to me sometimes that the word "civilized," which we take as being such a positive term, actually means enslaved to the status quo and slave to the hierarchy. Civilizing people is to force them to change, to be like us.

R: Well it's not always a forced process, sometimes it's a process that's produced by addicting people. What some invaders and civilizers in quotes have done is they have gone to indigenous people and they say, "hey do you like these metal pots and these metals knives? Well all you have to do is work and then you can have them" Now, the interesting thing is, indigenous cultures, they, they're really the people who are the most successful in some ways in this world. Indigenous cultures, it used to be one hundred fifty to two hundred years ago that indigenous people were considered savages and they lived in brutal ways; brutal savage lives that was hard and difficult but then researchers like people like Laurens van der Post and anthropologists actually studied indigenous people like the San Bushman of the Kalahari and what they found is, it's not a hard, brutal life. They worked two or three hours a day and they're done.

H2: mmm

R: Their life is easy. They have less work to do so when these explorers come and bring the benefits of civilization, what they're bringing is long work days, compared to slavery compared to what they had. They used the technology, the y offer drugs and medicine, It's scary. I remember I was on vacation in Jamaica once and there were some people there offering dental care to locals. The only thing was, in order to get the dental care, they had to sit through a sermon and get religion.

H2: mhm

H1: Yeah

H2: We do that, we do that so often and as, who was the dentist that traveled?

H1: Weston? Weston Price? I was just wondering him -

H2: [ss] Weston Price when he traveled discovered that in fact, the indigenous people had far better teeth than we do in a civilized western culture and that when their cultures were civilized that dental health went downhill fast.

R: well my guess is that along with civilization came the kind of food that most people eat in America -

H2: Exactly.

R: which is barely food, you know?

H1: Exactly

R: I'm gradually becoming more and more vegan/vegetarian and I wrote an article recently about a low word count, low aisle count diet.

H2: mm

R: Basically now I'm looking for the ingredients (on food packages) and the more words that they have on them, it's usually more additives.

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We are at a juncture where we need to empower ours... by Burl Hall on Sunday, Nov 10, 2013 at 9:59:56 AM
This leads to a transcript of an interview with Ro... by Burl Hall on Sunday, Nov 10, 2013 at 10:02:11 AM
Thanks for posting this, I heard the original inte... by Meryl Ann Butler on Sunday, Nov 10, 2013 at 10:31:07 AM
Thanks to you too Meryl for the support in getting... by Burl Hall on Sunday, Nov 10, 2013 at 2:06:55 PM
Thank-you so much for taking the time to transcrib... by Tsara Shelton on Sunday, Nov 10, 2013 at 10:56:11 AM
Thanks Tsara, your words mean much to me!... by Burl Hall on Sunday, Nov 10, 2013 at 2:08:59 PM
it was a fun interview, Burl and Merrie. It got me... by Rob Kall on Sunday, Nov 10, 2013 at 4:17:01 PM
Great interview.  I completely agree with Rob... by Derryl Hermanutz on Sunday, Nov 10, 2013 at 5:37:42 PM
Thank you for doing this interview Burl Hall. it h... by Daniel Penisten on Monday, Nov 11, 2013 at 11:51:03 PM
Part ISince I am an optimist, I am all in favor of... by Robert S. Becker on Tuesday, Nov 12, 2013 at 11:57:08 AM
Part II5) Is it not the case that villages, even a... by Robert S. Becker on Tuesday, Nov 12, 2013 at 12:18:33 PM
Part IIISo, my observation is less a challenge to ... by Robert S. Becker on Tuesday, Nov 12, 2013 at 12:18:57 PM
Great questions and interesting hypotheticals-- to... by Rob Kall on Tuesday, Nov 12, 2013 at 1:17:32 PM
Yes, I appreciate bottom up is not absolute but th... by Robert S. Becker on Tuesday, Nov 12, 2013 at 2:05:47 PM
My guess is that civilization and big industry pro... by Rob Kall on Thursday, Nov 14, 2013 at 9:07:40 AM
Yes please. I want to see that article too. Please... by Daniel Penisten on Friday, Nov 15, 2013 at 1:14:34 PM
The Great Awakening, is a historical time pre-revo... by Steve Consilvio on Friday, Nov 15, 2013 at 9:16:42 AM
Great response.  I agree with love being the ... by Burl Hall on Saturday, Nov 16, 2013 at 5:14:05 AM
Loved the article and the comments.  The prob... by Philip Pease on Sunday, Nov 17, 2013 at 11:22:34 AM
It could be the other way, though. Going public is... by Steve Consilvio on Sunday, Nov 17, 2013 at 12:17:02 PM
What do you mean, Steve, "The brainwashing started... by Rob Kall on Tuesday, Nov 19, 2013 at 1:17:14 AM
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