H2: Yeah I think - I think it will be. It occurs to me sometimes that the word "civilized," which we take as being such a positive term, actually means enslaved to the status quo and slave to the hierarchy. Civilizing people is to force them to change, to be like us.
R: Well it's not always a forced process, sometimes it's a process that's produced by addicting people. What some invaders and civilizers in quotes have done is they have gone to indigenous people and they say, "hey do you like these metal pots and these metals knives? Well all you have to do is work and then you can have them" Now, the interesting thing is, indigenous cultures, they, they're really the people who are the most successful in some ways in this world. Indigenous cultures, it used to be one hundred fifty to two hundred years ago that indigenous people were considered savages and they lived in brutal ways; brutal savage lives that was hard and difficult but then researchers like people like Laurens van der Post and anthropologists actually studied indigenous people like the San Bushman of the Kalahari and what they found is, it's not a hard, brutal life. They worked two or three hours a day and they're done.
R: Their life is easy. They have less work to do so when these explorers come and bring the benefits of civilization, what they're bringing is long work days, compared to slavery compared to what they had. They used the technology, the y offer drugs and medicine, It's scary. I remember I was on vacation in Jamaica once and there were some people there offering dental care to locals. The only thing was, in order to get the dental care, they had to sit through a sermon and get religion.
H2: [ss] Weston Price when he traveled discovered that in fact, the indigenous people had far better teeth than we do in a civilized western culture and that when their cultures were civilized that dental health went downhill fast.