R: Wow that's a great question. Ywalk outside and you see somebody who you know. It's your neighbor and you know their name and you know about them and they care about you and you care about them. And you're wearing clothes that maybe are identical to your neighbor's or maybe you painted on the clothes so you're painting is different from your neighbors, but there's no high fashion, there are no brands, it's all been made locally. How's that for a start?
H2: [laughs] That's a great start! I picture these clothes to being, as things that we're wearing currently wear out, just taking scraps that are still good of the various fabrics and eventually the clothing being like a a grab bag of all these different fabrics that are being reused and how colorful that would be.
R: I can imagine - no I like that and I imagine having clothing and shoe repair people coming back.
R: Because if you buy something that is not sustainable, because it's pretty and fashionable, it costs a lot more, not because the money goes to the designer, because the cost to the planet, the footprint of something like that, it's, if you calculate that in to the picture, makes it much more expensive.
R: So what becomes much more reasonably priced are handmade locally produced clothing that is made to last a long time and that's worth getting fixed.
H2: Yeah we have an interview coming up soon with a collaborative in New York city that fixes things. In fact I think they're called The Fixers or something like that but -
R: Is it a collaborative or a cooperative?
H2: I'm not sure.
R: Because the word cooperative--Gar Alperovitz talks about that a lot in his vision of the future beyond capitalism
R: And I really think that that's an exciting concept where workers own their businesses
H2: Yes, yes.