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Transcript: Psychopaths, Sociopaths and Anti-Social Personalities-- interview with Psychiatrist Donald Black

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I interviewed psychiatrist Donald Black, M.D., author of Bad Boys, Bad Men, on May 6, 2013, discussing anti-social personality disorder, sociopaths and psychopaths.  This is part one of a two part interview. Here is a link to the audio podcast.

Thanks to Don Caldarazzo   for doing the transcript.



Rob Kall:   And welcome to the Rob Kall Bottom Up Radio Show, WNJC 1360 AM out of Washington Township, New Jersey, reaching metro Philly and South Jersey, sponsored by .  My guest tonight is Donald W. Black, MD.  He's a Professor of Psychiatry at the University of Iowa, and he's the author of a book: Bad Boys, Bad Men: Confronting Anti-social Personality Disorder.  Welcome to the show!  

Donald Black:   Well thanks for having me.


Rob Kall:   This is a fascinating topic, and what is perhaps the most frightening are the statistics about this.  Your book says it's about three percent (3%) of the population?


Donald Black:   Well, it actually might be higher.  There's some surveys that show that about four and a half percent (4.5%) of the general population may meet criteria for this disorder.  In any event, I think all people would agree that it's more common than people think.  When you think about the kind of people who get diagnosed with Anti-social Personality Disorder (or the other more common term people use in the general population is "Sociopathy," or "Sociopath") and where they end up, because a lot of them are in jails and prisons, those people are not counted in the surveys, so the figure could be higher than even 4.5%.


Rob Kall:   So we're talking on a planet with seven billion people, we're talking about a quarter of a billion [250,000,000] people.  Unbelievable.


Donald Black:   Yeah.  Potentially in the United States, over 8 million people.


Rob Kall:   That's very frightening.  I was having a conversation the other day with somebody who is a very positive person, really believes that the world can heal itself.  And then I brought up sociopaths; and his face changed, and all of a sudden it went to, "Yeah.  That's really a problem."  There really aren't solutions -- and your book is very -- again, the book title is Bad Boys, Bad Men, and a revised edition of it just came out in February.  Your book gives suggestions to people who live with sociopaths how to cope, and it gives suggestions to sociopaths and anti-social personality people how the can work on their problem; but there's no real cure, is there?

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