Social and Religious Conservative GOP organizations like the Republican National Coalition for Life, http://www.rnclife.org/ , are already taking pot shots at Giuliani. Their article "2008 Looms Ahead - Will Pro-Life Conservatives Have a Horse in the Race? " http://www.rnclife.org/faxnotes/2006/mar06/06-03-31.html talks about "the fact that he [Giuliani] is out in left field on social issues should not be overlooked. It should not be overlooked because Rudy Giuliani just may run for the Republican presidential nomination in 2008. " It goes on to link photos of Giuliani in drag and to point out that Giuliani is a supporter of Gay rights and of the HBO show Queer as Folk.
The National Rifle Association and its lobbying and campaign arms already maintain a list of articles cataloguing Giuliani 's strong anti-gun record. Among them is this July 12, 2000 speech by Attorney General of Alabama Bill Pryor, "Extortion Parading As Law: The War On Guns " that pillories a host of politicians including Giuliani for having "imposed tight gun control laws " and engaging "in a war on guns " http://www.nraila.org/news/read/speeches.aspx?id=10 . This cannot be underestimated. The NRA 's campaigning efforts is a big reason that the GOP continue to do well in southern border states like Tennessee, the Virginias, North and South Carolina among other states. Gun ownership and gun rights tend to be important to voters in these states and the NRA takes full advantage of this. Talk to people in these states in the months before a major election and due to NRA campaign literature and advertisements, they know the groups interpretation of each relevant candidates position on gun rights and gun control. I frequently make the argument that without the NRA 's vigorous opposition to Gore in election 2000, Gore wins his home state of Tennessee easily and thus the election making the Florida election recount mess moot. Winning New York, if it comes to that, will not help Giuliani if NRA supporters vote against him or stay home in the Southern Border states.
A potential candidate Giuliani also has several embarrassing scandals with which to contend. A GOP establishment and electorate that pilloried President Clinton for marital indiscretions would have to embrace a Giuliani who moved out of the Mayoral mansion he shared with his estranged wife and moved in with his girlfriend for the last few years he was mayor. Giuliani would also have to explain how he made Bernard Kerik his police commissioner and then recommended he replace Tom Ridge as Homeland Security Secretary. As shown in this ABC News article, http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=local&id=4208115 it is hard to understand with so many questions and potential issues how Kerik made it past the vetting process to become NYC police commissioner and then made it to the short list for Homeland Security Secretary. Giuliani is completely responsible for one and partially responsible for the other.
If the RNC jams either down our throats, I will write in Mickey Mouse.
22 posted on 05/20/2006 11:43:37 AM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ("Remember the Alamo, Goliad and WACO, It is Time for a new San Jacinto")
Hey how about this: Neither! Had it with RINO's, especially in the White House!
I don't vote for candidate's that cheat on their mate. That lets all three out!!
30 posted on 05/20/2006 12:23:04 PM PDT by mariabush ("Over there, over there, We won't be back 'til it's over Over there.")
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"Hey how about this: Neither! Had it with RINO's, especially in the White House"!
Count me in on this! The GOP will just have to self destruct without my complicity!
31 posted on 05/20/2006 12:26:43 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (LET ME DIE ON MY FEET, IN MY SWAMP)
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To be fair, there were also several messages in this thread praising Giuliani 's virtues as a candidate but it is hard to imagine a pro-choice, pro-gay rights, pro-hand gun control, scandal heavy Giuliani emerging as the GOP nominee for President. Should he flip flop on those issues, he would lose any credibility as the strong "This is what I believe and stand by it " leader he is currently credited for being. Should he emerge as the nominee, I do not see the NRA or social conservative groups rallying their respective bases around him and this would almost certainly prove fatal. Perhaps this is why out of the two we see Jerry Falwell reluctantly reaching out to John McCain. In either case, as a Democrat, it is becoming less and less daunting looking at either of these two GOP front runners as potential opponents in 2008. I like our chances against either one of them.