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Neuropsychology of Human Religious Behavior

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Background and history: I guess if one is born and raised in Iran, one would naturally despise or love religions. However, when I was born, Iran was not a theocracy yet. I was never pushed to become religious. My parents were not religious. In school we were required to study the Quran. In all classes if a student was not listening or had not done his homework, he would be beaten with a cane. Using a cane or just beating up the students by teachers was a common practice, but I was not a troublemaker and a good student. So, I was never caned, except once in the class for Quran, because I had not prepared to read a piece of the Quran in Arabic. I was caned two times, one for each hand. It hurt like a SOB. During high school there always was a course covering religious studies. The damn thing was stupid but easy. I was the only one in the class who knew how to get ahold of every edition of the Playboy. At that age, looking at playboy was the best substitute for religious studies.

When I was leaving Iran to come here, I was under the impression that the cause of our excessive religiosity was just lack of proper education, superstitions and ignorance. When I arrived in

Los Angeles, I had a sleepless night. So I watched the T.V. During a commercial, they showed a well-dressed man next to a black board. There were the simple drawings of a lake, clouds and the sun. The gentleman said God causes sun to shine on the lake which evaporates the water to go to sky to make the clouds which causes the rain to come back to earth. That is god's way of creating life on earth. If you want to know, more send $5 to P.O. Box"... It suddenly downed on me that this irrational behavior was not caused by poor education "Human religious behavior was universal".

Studying social sciences, I had to study human religious behavior from many different angles. It took many years of schooling, until at post-doctoral studies of human brain it began to make sense. Finally, I could put all human sciences from history to psychology, anthropology, sociology, Persian mystic literature and the recent advancement in neuroimaging to find a rational cause for existence of religion. I will write the truth, you be the judge

The origins of Human Religious Behavior: Throughout the history, the topic of human religiosity has been referred to as a learned behavior. In other words, a person's religion is the final outcome of the person's interaction with his environment. Therefore, the assumption was that if you are born in a Christian country, you are going to be a Christian. Theoretically, since the person has been exposed to his religion from early childhood his beliefs would be consolidated during adolescence and early adult life. Therefore, it would be quite unlikely that he would choose a different religion nor have the desire or the need to practice something else. Although we do see occasional cases of conversion of single individuals from one religion to another religion, mass conversions throughout human history are usually rare and mostly are caused by wars and force.

These mass conversions, due to the force are for gold, land and new members to pay taxes. Also, the victims are forced to believe in the cause of their misery. Like African Americans, Native Americans and the natives of South America who are mostly Christian, while they were taken into slavery by devout Christians based on teachings of the Bible. Christianity, Judaism and Islam permit slavery, as a matter-of-fact Mohammad himself was a slave trader. While slavery is the greatest crime of human history. Although, the followers of the great religions of the world do not like to admit these historical facts, an honest historian would admit that my ancestors' conversion from Zoroastrianism to Islam was only achieved by Arabic swords. The same is true for natives of South America becoming Christians. Their fate was sealed by Spaniard swords.

Interestingly, the forceful attempts to make a population atheist have never worked. The most famous historical example of these attempts is Stalin's brutal confrontation of religiosity. Stalin did not look at religion as just "opium of the masses" he looked at it as a menace for the society and considered clergymen as parasites. Stalin's method of dealing with religion was the same method that he used in dealing with anything else. His answer was total elimination of religion. He ordered all mosques, churches and temples to be burned, he killed all of the clergy. It should be noted that upon the collapse of the Soviet Union after seventy years of total atheism the first changes included the reappearance of mosques, churches, temples and clergymen. In other words, you can force people to convert to a different religion, but you cannot force them to become an atheist, as if human religiosity is a phenomena like sex or aggression, they just cannot live without it.

During recent years there has been an evolution of thought regarding the origin of religions. This new theory has gained momentum recently. The latest set of research on this topic, using more advanced technology is gradually changing the entire concept of human religious behavior and its derivatives: spirituality, parapsychology and all other forms of believing in God as an innate drive which we are born with. This topic is going to be examined in this article in detail.

God's spokesmen: Unfortunately, the intensity of human emotions regarding their faith is so strong, that it is next to impossible to hold a reasonable discussion regarding people who are referred to as prophets of God. If a person is a little inquisitive, he probably would have a few legitimate questions regarding the issue of prophets of God. The simple question is that "why does god need to assign a human being to be his spokesman or "prophet". After all, he is the creator of the universe, with such tremendous power and unlimited creativity; why does he need human beings to transfer his message? If we assume the hypothesis of religion as an innate drive; then the issue of the prophets changes entirely. The prophets would not be god's spokesman; rather, they are people who think that they are messengers of God.

The prophets usually think that they are chosen by God. They believe that there is a problem associated with religion of their time, which has caused God to send them to articulate the truth. In one case, "Muhammad" the prophet of Islam, I was able to render a diagnosis and provide the support for the notion that he suffered from complex partial seizures. In the case of older prophets, the documentation is sketchy and unreliable. The more recent prophets are easier to diagnose, but they do not have such a strong following. Consequently, there is not an immediate need to spend years for research to figure out their diagnosis.

However, if we broaden our scope, and look at the common denominator among them; we can see some similarities, which might be able to answer some of our questions. The main prerequisite to be able to claim that one is a prophet, is the ability to perform miracles. Although, the biggest miracle is the fact that there still are people who believe that there is such a thing called a miracle?

What is a miracle? Prophets are supposed to perform miracles and have the ability to conduct behaviors that other humans cannot do. The prophets can wish things to happen that others cannot (turning a staff into a snake). In the case of Muhammad, he claimed that the Quran is his miracle, that no one else could write such an eloquent book. This practice lays the groundwork for Shakespeare (in English), Hafez (in Persian), and Garcia Lorca in Spanish, to make similar claims.

In case of older religions their sacred books are mostly written well after the prophet is dead and although they are accepted as a divine religious document, they are very poor history books. Let's take the example of Jesus. Jewish people of that time had been waiting for appearance of 'Mashia" or messiah for centuries. Then a rabbi shows up in Jerusalem, riding a donkey. This rabbi announces that he is god's son. He was able to give life to the dead, cure illnesses as bad as leprosy and seizure disorder. Now in all honesty if such a thing had happened would anybody had dared to raise a hand on him. Some people might have not liked him, but everyone would have been scared of him to their shoes.

The history of the Middle East is full of similar stories. The most famous one was Seyyed Ali Mohammad Shirazi 'Bab" about 150 years ago. The original founder of Baha'i religion, who are being badly oppressed in Iran. After a few years of his claims of being a prophet. He was called into a debate with Moslem clergy men in presence of the crown prince in city of Tabriz. He failed the debate quite poorly. So, he was ordered to be caned on his feet, He kept on screaming that he was sorry and begged them to stop the canning. Then he wrote a long letter of apology which is currently available in Iranian library of congress. Then he was killed. A very similar story to many other stories of recent prophets. If you do not believe me, just read the book of Mormon.

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History has shown us that there is not an issue more controversial than religion among human beings. Fortunately, recent studies provide a new understanding to the origins of human religious behavior.

It is difficult to predict the future of religion as it morphs to different shapes and forms. However, if there was a possibility to tame this behavior, it would reduce wars and human conflicts, as well as saving large amounts of brain and treasure for other use.

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Perfectly stated......

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Dear John

Thank you

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My perspective is that religion came about when someone had an altered state of consciousness experience, and that person was so moved by his experience that he felt he needed to share (as best he could) that experience.

For some their experience was direct connection with a source that is beyond comprehension, a stream of thoughts that came without asking and so fast that one could not keep up. This person was not a messenger from God, there would not be any religion to arise, but only an awareness that there is something other than ordinary consciousness and it is mind blowing.

Then there are a few others who were chosen to be a conduit by which God could present messages (wisdom) to humanity. These select individuals were aware that they were acting as an intermediary between God and man and accepted it as God's will. These servants of God became teachers, and some attracted a large following and religions were formed by their followers.

Many followers of these teachers learned how to open their hearts and minds to connect with this alternate state of consciousness and many who learned how to do this became teachers and so this knowledge/practice has been passed along not through organized religion but from teacher to student.

In short there appears to be a state of consciousness, that anyone can enter (with practice - meditation) that is beyond normal consciousness. It is from this alternative state of consciousness (sometimes called cosmic consciousness or God consciousness) that the wisdom behind all religious teachings come.

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Dear Philip

Thank you for your comment.in trying to understand the origins of human religious behavior we have the difficulty that we do not have proper documentation and evidence for our analysis. The references to myths of religious books is simply dealing with man-made stories which are not reliable sources of actual events.

The only one of these prophets who introduced himself as a teacher without unbelievable stories associated to his thoughts was Zoroaster the founder of Zoroastrianism. His book which is called Avesta is a mixture of different ideas of different times. He probably lived about 1000 BC. He was so respected by the Greek philosophers that they would mostly start their books with the phrase "Thus spoke Zoroaster". A part of his book which is called "Gotha", is a collection of religious songs and is probably directly produced by Zoroaster himself. The Zoroastrian priests have saved these songs so prissily that the linguists can differentiate between the pronunciation of Gotha and the rest Avesta. An interesting similarity between Zoroastrianism and Indian sacred book "Rig Veda" is that they both talk about migration of Aryan tribes from southern Russia to India, Iran and Europe,

The myths and stories that we have in the bible is a mixture of unbelievable sematic myths. The only reliable evidence of human religious behavior are the artifacts related to material exhumed from Homosapien sites begging 60,000 years ago. These artifacts correlate well with development of tools, jewelry and weapons and religious symbols.

The best evidence for the great leap of evolution of brain is the fact that the oldest Neanderthals who lived from 1.5 million ago up to 40,000 years ago, used the same type of spears, while the weapons of Homosapien in 60.000 years evolved from spears with sharp stone at its tip to current nuclear weapons.

The mythology of Aryans is totally different to sematic myths; however, one can observe a trend of advancement in belief systems of polytheistic beliefs of believing in thunder, sun and moon to monotheism is less than 4000 years old.

The belief or actual ability to experience higher levels of consciousness is very difficult to document and perhaps started with Buddhism of several thousand years ago. The rest is just speculation.

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Yes, but Neanderthal spears still work just fine, and might be the weapon of choice in the not-too-distant future. As far as religion, people take comfort in many myths and fairy tales. For most, it is easier on the brain than neuroscience. Either can go awry. Either can provide guidance.

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Dear Allen

I do remember your wonderful sense of humor and very funny comments of a decade ago. I hope you are doing well, and you and your family have not been a victim of COVID.

The fear of destroying the civilization or total destruction of life on the planet earth is real and scary. There was not even one drop of rain in Tehran last year and schools have not opened this year because of COVID.

Human religious behavior within and by itself is a useful tool of evolution to help human beings to deal with reality. However, Religious money-grubbing industrial complex is as bad as military industry complex.

If all of the resources wasted on training clergymen, weekly sermons, maintenance of small and huge temples of all religions, human beings would have had a better life.

Human religiosity is an innate drive. It just requires to be controlled.

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I agree. But technology seems to have superceded religion in controlling most things, nowadays, the goal supposedly being to pollute outer space with as much junk as possible. There is hope, however; perhaps people can make money recyling space junk, and erect shelters in their homeless camps. Maybe that is Bezo's goal. Or lazer magnets could pull it back to earth. Some of it could be quite valuable. For many people, technology is religion. I don't have a smart phone, but there is a Mother of Smart Phone that can still find you. I once heard a voice in my head saying, "Drop me and I will kill your first born and your puppy too.!"

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Dear Allen

When trump was feeding us his horse sh*t about COVID, I was mad but somewhere deep inside me, I trusted American Scientists to come up with a vaccine for this thing, and they did,

Looking at global warming and the rest of human made problems, I still feel optimistic that if we do not totally destroy the planet, with time, there will be an answer.

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I don't see the god gene as being unique to humans. Quite possibly the reason Elephants don't bury their dead with utensils is because they don't have the means to do it.

I admit to losing interest in the middle of page 4 because it was (for me) going to an obvious conclusion of charlatans, which is hardly limited to religious endeavors.

My first clear understanding that the minister was peddling BS was when John I. and I sent to see Rev H. about creation and Rev H. said "7 days of 24 hours". He was so emphatic that the moment is imprinted on my brain to pop up anytime someone tells me about God.

Robert Heinlein, in "Stranger in a Strange Land" made the most sense to me when he said "Thou art God". Mixing that with a bit of Asimov and his trilogy talking about the second law of thermodynamics (maybe more importantly his short story "Let there be Light") allows me to concoct my own "religion" where if everything is suppose to decay to one thing, when everything is the same thing how do you differentiate between them and then if everything is the same how do you differentiate it from nothing. (Kind of a Father Son and Holy Ghost meme).

When "everything is one thing" then I am just a short track on the LP. When my song is over, it is over. It may have some semblance or been inspired by the previous track; and it may have influence on the next track; but it's over.

Whatever, works for me.

Perhaps you'd enjoy following up on the myth that Heinlein and Hubbard made a bet about who could create the "next religion". While probably not true, again, like most things religious, the "truth" doesn't matter.

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Reading your comment reminded me of a story about Prophet Mohammad. Most of the stories of the Quran are same stories as the bible, written with minor changes, but in an eloquent language.

I have read the following story about Mohammad in several of original sources of Islam. Apparently, when he was talking to his followers about creation, someone asked him to tell him about the events of each day. Mohammad repeated the story of the Bible. However, when they added it up. The total number of days came up to be eight days not seven. So, he had to repeat it more carefully to come up with the seven days.

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Abbas,

From my perspective, I can see the effect that growing up in Iran, a virulent theocracy, had on your views.

Again, as I see it, this has placed emotionally laden blinders on your eyes. I do not expect you to change this view, due to the traumas you have encountered.

What I would add at this moment is that you seem to have a truncated outlook on the ontology of our universe. You are satisfied with your worldview; and you feel justified in asserting and defending it. However, from my many years of study, meditation, contemplation and other practices, aspects of your view do not correspond to the way things actually are.

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Abbas,

I will add that the concept of spirituality has very little to do with religion. An intellectual approach to religions does not open our eyes to the vast universe of spirituality, and in fact can obscure this alternate, but freeing way of being.

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Dear Blair

Here we go again,

Sometime in your life you have to understand that you are not my therapist, stop pretending to be one.

The title and content of this article was about neuropsychology of human religious behavior, are you a neuropsychologist.

If you look back at what I have written, you will see that my exposure to religiosity was in my adult life not in my childhood. your perseverance in your religiosity, spirituality or any other kind of supernatural phenomena that you believe in is unusually strong. You continue to repeat the same nonscientific nonsense, makes me wonder what kind of exposure you have had to religiosity in childhood.

I believe exposure of kids to religiosity in childhood is the most common form of child abuse, because it deprives the person from their free will to choose their own faith. Just look at your own behavior, it is not just that you have been dissolved in supernatural material, you give the permission to yourself to refute my science-based writings (which obviously have not read well) with a mixture of personal beliefs and archaic dogmatic thought.

This behavior of yours is unethical, you should not use the freedom of expression to analyze and make conclusion about people and feed it to them. You are doing all of these without proper assessment of the person in a clinical setting. Were you ever told that you cannot provide psychological services for a person without their written consent? You are breaking all ethical rules of APA. I have asked you in writing not to impose your belief as assessment or therapy on me. You keep on doing the same nonsense without knowing anything about my background. Your continues devaluation of my knowledge, thought process and feelings is based on a couple of articles that I have written about my country of origin. Did not you see my writing that I left Iran before the Iranian revolution? Furthermore, you actually engage in diagnostic work up of others, for which you do not have the license nor the proper education.

Both of your comments are just a not so polite method of name calling. I wrote the neurological basis of spiritual behavior based on writings of C. Darwin, A. Newburg And C. Urgesi . Obviously, you are so immersed in your obsessive religious thoughts that you cannot control yourself and unable to keep your beliefs within the parameters of science.

This tactic of separating human religiosity and spirituality is a form of justifying a belief in supernatural for which you have no empirical evidence. I told you that I do not like people like Rumi, but I never told you that I have not studied Sufism.

Your perseverance in trying to prove to me that I do not know or understand your paradigms, is simply inaccurate and irritating. The idea of trying to get the other people to think like you do, is the cornerstone of dogmatic human religious behavior.

Don't you get it? There is no empirical evidence for existence of supernatural. Those arguments of yours are "beliefs", and beliefs are illogical thoughts.

Good Luck & Goodbye

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One does not experience reality as it is; but as one is. Your experiences shape who you are and who you are shape your perception of reality. Do you get this?

Are you familiar with the Buddhist practice of contemplation? I'd like to suggest you contemplate the question - Why am I studying and writing about religion?

Namaste

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One does not experience reality as it is; but as one is. Your experiences shape who you are and who you are shape your perception of reality. Do you get this?

Are you familiar with the Buddhist practice of contemplation? I'd like to suggest you contemplate the question - Why am I studying and writing about religion?

Namaste

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Dear Philip

I think any person with some knowledge of human behavior would agree that we are the byproducts of the interaction between our genetic makeup and our environment. Living in different cultures has proven this reality to me.

If you look at the list of my most read articles you can see that my most read article was about treatment of Hemianopia. That is the permanent half blindness which is caused by stroke. I invented a type of glasses which would cure that nasty condition. My coworkers had to put up with my bragging that Since Jesus I was the first person who could make the blind to see.

Many people have asked me the same question that why I spend so much effort to write about human religious behavior. My answer to this valid question is that because it is my job and training to explore human behavior. When one goes to a church, one hears a bunch of religious stories which do not have any bases in reality. My writings, good or bad are the truth that I have studied, learned, thought and have been scrutinized for. I explore and write the truth about human behavior because I enjoy it and am trained to do so.

I spent many years studding, interviewing and writing about history of WW2, concentration camps, Hitler, Stalin and Mao. Does that mean that I am a Nazi, communist or just a student of social sciences?

The picture of a bunch of young men immersed in cow manure to prevent or cure COVID makes everyone to think why in the world in a country like India which is the number one producer of vaccines in the world, people would indulge in such a behavior. If you look at that picture carefully, you will notice the arms of a person in white clothes. That means that this picture more than likely was taken in a clinic or in a hospital.

Let me finish this with a funny or scary true story. The Catholic Church finally exonerated Galileo about earth not being flat in 1992, well after Americans had landed on the moon.

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I have been on a spiritual path for the last 50 years, studying and practicing connecting with my higher self. It is thru my practice of meditation (stilling the mind, entering a state of just being here now) and contemplation (observing thoughts that arise within my mind) on questions that come to mind that has changed my self and along with that my experience of reality.

New Year's Day two years ago I had this thought - to make a new year's resolution to smile more. I then chose to - each morning when I got up and went into my bathroom to look into the mirror and smile. About a week into doing this I felt this is stupid and so I made funny faces as I smiled, after a couple days I was ready to give it up (which is what I usually do with new year's resolutions). I sat down, quieted my mind, and then asked myself "should I give up my new year's resolution? Immediately a thought came - as you smile say to yourself "being here now in loving awareness". I have been doing this "practice" ever since and it has changed who I am. Before I was a quiet, unassuming, person who did not say much because I felt people would judge me and find me boring or worse. Now I find I am filled with words to share. Such are the comments I have shared with you and others about the article you wrote. I believe those comments come from a higher state of consciousness and are intended to assist in one's evolution into a state of higher consciousness.

After I had made the comment above, I happened to see this on YouTube and had the urge to share it:

Truth vs. Belief - View From The Other Side, Episode 10 - YouTube

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Dear Philip

The practice of meditation, yoga, relaxation exercises are valid treatments for stress and anxiety. It really does not matter how you get yourself deep in those feelings of relaxation as long as you get it there, it is fine. However, these methods are very subjective, and at times you might be thinking that you are in a relaxed state, but you might not.

The best and the most objective method of getting to where you want to get is through biofeedback. I learned that in school and got to know our own Mr. Rob Kall through his organization which provided us with the most advanced methods of biofeedback. When you are hooked to a biofeedback machine you see the objective graphs of where you are at.

The issue of higher states of consciousness is totally different. If you look back at my article you will see, the study conducted by Dr Andrew Newburg who has documented the neurological changes in what you refer to as higher states of consciousness. This ability that human beings acquire with practice is difficult to replicate and is not unique to religion.

About that movie that you referred me to. That lady is just trying to sell a bunch of garbage. I worked on the oncology unit for several years. I lost my father to cancer, and I am a cancer survivor. All research, from every corner of the world indicates that if you have a metastatic cancer, without proper treatment you are going to die. Almost all of my patients wanted to live. Strong religious believes, the will to live or psychological interventions are not a substitute to surgery, chemotherapy and nuclear medicine.

The only thing which is true in that respect is that people who give up die faster than the ones who do not. The strong desire or the will to live have nothing to do with the growth of tumors.

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Abbas,

Thank you for your very personal and honest article.

My conclusion after reading your responses to mine is that, while you are not hard of hearing, you appear to be "hard of listening and/or comprehending."

First, there is nothing in my post that suggests that I have a desire to become your therapist. This is a projection, although your statement does suggest that at an unconscious level you may realize that you would benefit from having one and that you perhaps unconsciously crave this.

FYI: I am simply writing as a human being who is questioning your outlook. I am unable to jettison what I have learned in life.

You were forced to read the Quran as child (and caned in the process; that it hurt like the blazes} and the atmosphere was one of universal religiosity. So, you appear to be in denial.

You are also insisting on conflating religion and spirituality, without inquiring about how I see these as different - essentially ignoring and dismissing my statement, as if your view is the only valid one.

I see your use of the word "nonsense" as extreme premature certainty. This makes me think that you mirror the most dogmatic people stewing in religiosity. Clearly "science" has become your religion.

Your post is so rich I will have more to say when I have time - whether you like it or not.

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These were my comments:

Abbas,

From my perspective, I can see the effect that growing up in Iran, a virulent theocracy, had on your views.

Again, as I see it, this has placed emotionally laden blinders on your eyes. I do not expect you to change this view, due to the traumas you have encountered.

What I would add at this moment is that you seem to have a truncated outlook on the ontology of our universe. You are satisfied with your worldview; and you feel justified in asserting and defending it. However, from my many years of study, meditation, contemplation and other practices, aspects of your view do not correspond to the way things actually are.

Abbas,

I will add that the concept of spirituality has very little to do with religion. An intellectual approach to religions does not open our eyes to the vast universe of spirituality, and in fact can obscure this alternate, but freeing way of being.

This was your response:

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Here we go again,

Sometime in your life you have to understand that you are not my therapist, stop pretending to be one.

The title and content of this article was about neuropsychology of human religious behavior, are you a neuropsychologist.

If you look back at what I have written, you will see that my exposure to religiosity was in my adult life not in my childhood.

your perseverance in your religiosity, spirituality or any other kind of supernatural phenomena that you believe in is unusually strong. You continue to repeat the same nonscientific nonsense, makes me wonder what kind of exposure you have had to religiosity in childhood.

I believe exposure of kids to religiosity in childhood is the most common form of child abuse, because it deprives the person from their free will to choose their own faith. Just look at your own behavior, it is not just that you have been dissolved in supernatural material, you give the permission to yourself to refute my science-based writings (which obviously have not read well) with a mixture of personal beliefs and archaic dogmatic thought.

This behavior of yours is unethical, you should not use the freedom of expression to analyze and make conclusion about people and feed it to them. You are doing all of these without proper assessment of the person in a clinical setting. Were you ever told that you cannot provide psychological services for a person without their written consent? You are breaking all ethical rules of APA. I have asked you in writing not to impose your belief as assessment or therapy on me. You keep on doing the same nonsense without knowing anything about my background. Your continues devaluation of my knowledge, thought process and feelings is based on a couple of articles that I have written about my country of origin. Did not you see my writing that I left Iran before the Iranian revolution? Furthermore, you actually engage in diagnostic work up of others, for which you do not have the license nor the proper education.

Both of your comments are just a not so polite method of name calling. I wrote the neurological basis of spiritual behavior based on writings of C. Darwin, A. Newburg And C. Urgesi . Obviously, you are so immersed in your obsessive religious thoughts that you cannot control yourself and unable to keep your beliefs within the parameters of science.

This tactic of separating human religiosity and spirituality is a form of justifying a belief in supernatural for which you have no empirical evidence. I told you that I do not like people like Rumi, but I never told you that I have not studied Sufism.

Your perseverance in trying to prove to me that I do not know or understand your paradigms, is simply inaccurate and irritating. The idea of trying to get the other people to think like you do, is the cornerstone of dogmatic human religious behavior.

Don't you get it? There is no empirical evidence for existence of supernatural. Those arguments of yours are "beliefs", and beliefs are illogical thoughts.

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Blair

When I read your first comment, I got really angry because you had started your age-old practice of analyzing me again, and I just blocked you from my mind, and let it go.

Today, I decided to read your writings, to see what your beef with me is. I noticed that you had gone out of your way to put some of the details of my comment together to be able to analyze my childhood as well as analysis of my adult behavior. you continued to come up a bunch irrational interpretations and imaginary childhood causes of my adherence to science.

Your inappropriate behavior shows me that your poor education, severe neurosis and high levels of bottled-up anger is worse than what I had thought. Let's look at a few of your neurotic behaviors:

1) Hypergraphia (excessive writing). Usually one comment is not enough, so you have to write two.

2) Stubbornness, you have difficulty to take no for an answer

3) Excessive religiosity, you cannot tolerate anyone refuting your dogmatic belief system.

4) Misrepresentation, you wrote something about your doctoral thesis, while you are just a social worker. If you were able to get a doctoral degree, you would have been able to become a real psychologist not a pretend one.

5) Poor knowledge of psychological ethics.

6) Lack of respect for ethics of psychology, by continues stepping on the ethical rules of APA. I guess since you are not a member of the APA you are not required to follow them. However, there must be some ethical rules in practice of social work.

7) Sadistic devaluation of others. Your inferiority complex is so profound that you gain extraordinary pleasure in trying to tell other people that they do not know what you know and are not smart enough to be able to know the things that you know.

There are other things that I can write, but I am tired of this whole damn nonsense. I hope that you realize that we have passed the renaissance long time ago.

For the last time I am requesting that you stop playing mind games with me, you are practicing well above your head. If I was in need of psychotherapy, there are psychologists in my state who specialize in treating other psychologists (none of them is a social worker). I know who to call.

I am blocking you from my site right now, and I really hope that I do not hear from again. Although, fortunately whatever you write is going to be blocked and I will not see them.

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Abba,

I haven't yet even gotten to your article; I have been responding only to your posts.

I see your latest post, for the most part as a mirror image of your own inner processes, projected onto me. I don't have a "beef" with you. Although I'm aware that I am being hard on you, the primary issue is truth and distortion.

I notice that you insist on diagnosing me as having "neurotic behaviors" without having met me, even though this is against APA policy. This shows a "poor knowledge of psychological ethics."

1) Hypergraphia - What I am writing about is somewhat complex; beyond that, your own apparent distortions invite me to go out of my way to straighten things out. Beyond this, have a look at the length of your own posts. Hypergraphia indeed.

2) "Stubbornness, you have difficulty to take no for an answer." No doubt any scientist or in fact any person presenting an explanation outside the prevailing paradigm at first tends to be reviled. Galileo, for example (although I am no Galileo). They have tended to be stubborn, as I'm sure have those who proclaimed that the Earth revolved around the Sun.

3) "Excessive religiosity, you cannot tolerate anyone refuting your dogmatic belief system." Notice that I have a number of times differentiated religion from spirituality. Your unwillingness to engage this suggests both an intense, rigid stubbornness, and once again that you appear to be "hard of listening."

4) "Misrepresentation" - the truth is that you know nothing about my credentials.

5) "Poor knowledge of psychological ethics." See above.

6) -

7) "Sadistic devaluation of others. Your inferiority complex is so profound that you gain extraordinary pleasure in trying to tell other people that they do not know what you know and are not smart enough to be able to know the things that you know."

Utter projection. I believe that if you were willing to mature your thinking (and your emotional body), that you would be able to gain whatever knowledge I believe I have. (in actuality we live amidst a sea of unknowing. Compare the elements of Newtonian physics, which has been superseded by quantum and relativity theory).

"For the last time I am requesting that you stop playing mind games with me, you are practicing well above your head." See #7 and projection.

We are in a crucial time inhuman evolution. My desire is to challenge, what seem to be your archaic concepts and formulations. Many people read OEN, and today, every individual counts in being able to put fresh ideas into practice.

Your blocking me is only about shutting your ears to the new. A I've said, you seem "too far gone" to be open to that which innovative. The church has done as much to many whose ideas challenged their own.

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Abbas,

(Response to your 12/30 response to my post).

Barking up the wrong tree. Letting loose a tirade at dangerous mirage, but a mirage nevertheless.

Meanwhile, I predict your pride will prevent you from realizing any errors in your conceptualizations.

It is obsessive to repeat the word "obsessive" over and over again.

Likewise, it is obsessive to continually conflate the terms "religion" and "spirituality" - without seeking their differences. There apparently is a one-track mind at work here. And plenty of anger driving this.

There is an absurd projection around obsession, with you not being able to recognize your own use of this defense. On the subject of defenses - they become more obvious, the further one travels on the spiritual path. There is no need for sophisticated psychological training, as a dedication to truth illuminates all that is not so. Beyond this, psychological - as well as the knowledge arising from many other disciplines - has now entered the common parlance. So, one does not need to be a therapist to detect when another person is misinformed or lying to themselves. And, as I said, I cannot and will not discard what I have learned in life.

I regard your accusation that I wish to be your therapist as nothing more than a conceit, smokescreen, and excuse so that you do not have to look at what you are doing. As I said, this is absurd and I can once again assure that I have no interest in doing so; wouldn't dream of it, unless formally requested. In any case, due to the rigidity of your defensive structure, such an endeavor would certainly be a long haul.

The primary issue and your own blinders have to do with ontology - the nature of Being. You did not address this.

It is not merely, as you obviously believe, that addiction to your reasoning mind and your adoration of reason is a bastion against the irrationalism you have experienced. It certainly is that.

Yet, it is more: the way you have allowed it to rule you severely obscures your access to the superconscious aspects of your being. I assume you are satisfied with this state of affairs, especially since it lets off the hook re- challenging your outlook. You choose to allow yourself to be complacent. Usually, the roots for the closed mind are planted in childhood. I well know that no one, least of all me, can remove you from the castle you have built for self-protection.

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You insist on putting "Ph.D" after your name (which I find rather presumptuous); yet I don't accuse you of "neuro-psychologizing" me. I wish to remind you that you are merely a human being with certain views. If you remain closed to reevaluating them, you lose.

In general, I am speaking only so others can contemplate that realm which simultaneously includes and transcends reason. [Now would be the time for you superciliously deny that such a realm exists and can benefit humankind]. I highly doubt that you are curious or even able to comprehend this matter.

However, if per chance you wish to explore further, you can see Psychosynthesis by Roberto Assagioli or Holy Fire by his student, Thomas Yeomans). If you desire a more mathematical understanding of your blind spots, you can see Flatland: A Romance of Many Dimensions by Abbott, or the work of Kurt Godel.

You seem to believe that your way of evaluating this matter is the only possible way. At its worse this is the mind of authoritarian/totalitarian, hiding behind "science."

Your opening statement, "Here we go again," betrays an unwillingness to consider other viewpoints, and a penchant to arrogantly dismiss them. The circle is in your own mind. An insistence on "same ole', same ole,'" arises from a premise that no new insights will be generated. I believe this is because you know at some level that you are chained to your point of view. No doubt, it would be uncomfortable or even painful for you to reconsider your conclusions.

As I understand the process, the first step is the willingness to question oneself. The conceit that one has already gone down a given road prevents freshness of inquiry.

Transformational knowing means that we find a way to genuinely step back from our assumptions and find ourselves in a state of not-knowing.

What you do not yet realize is that your views are quite archaic. Significant elements of science, psychology, and the world in general are moving on.

With all that said, I have compassion for your predicament; it is pretty universal. We all cling to what is familiar.

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Suggestion: Don't psycho-analyze anyone unless they request you to do so. It's not appreciated.

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Especially when it comes to people who are both in the field: What's good for the goose, is good for the gander.

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Robert,

I wonder if you wrote the identical comment to Abbas. If you read what he has written, there is plenty of psychological analysis to be found.

If not, it shows you to be one-sided and to have been taken in by distortion.

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May I request that if you guys want to keep filling my inbox with trivia that you "get a room".

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You have complete free choice about what you open up and don't. That's on you.

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This is written with a desire to support human evolution. It is not directed at the author, as he appears to be dogmatically attached to his views, and has been so frightened and angry to be contradicted as to put his fingers in his ears. He is clearly a philosophical materialist, who denies other levels of consciousness and existence.

(For a comprehensive approach to human spirituality I would like to recommend, Structure of Consciousness by George Feuerstein - on the work of Jean Gebser).

The author's characterization of Jesus reveals his own lack of diligence. He calls Jesus a "rabbi;" to my knowledge he appeared as an itinerant preacher; others called him Rabbi. The author fails to take into account the way orthodoxies dominate groups and can create a scapegoat dynamic. Apparently, Jesus also was accused of being a trouble-maker according to Roman law.

As I have written in my two OEN articles on Jesus, Great Souls are often persecuted because their vision contradicts the established social order. They see far beyond both officials and everyday people, and show a path to liberation that the mores of society cannot offer and often prevent/

It is easy to reduce prophetic manifestations to psychological categories. However, this is simply reductionism. There is more to life than psychology. The discipline of transpersonal psychology has attempted to remedy this situation. Luminaries include Abraham Maslow, Stanislav Grof, Anthony Sutich (founder of the Journal of Transpersonal Psychology), Roger Walsh and Jack Kornfield (who has elucidated the role of Buddhist Psychology).

The author appears to draw on archaic sources that support his prejudices and remains unaware the progress in psychology during the last 60 years. Prolific author Ken Wilber, who has been referred to as the "Einstein of Consciousness," has provided a clear distinction between schizophrenia and authentic mystical experience, as well as the relationship between these two phenomena. Developmentally speaking, the author is clearly not aware of the difference between that which is pre-rational and transrational.

The author has studiously and deliberately avoided the distinction I make a number of times between spirituality and religion. He clearly has assumptions about the nature of our universe that he does not want to question - and this, of course, runs counter to his claim to be a scientist, as scientists are open to new data. The most advanced scientists are especially open to contentions that would contradict their present assumptions, opening new vistas for exploration.

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Nevertheless, his comments about politics and religion are well thought out and relevant.

If you wish, see my two articles on Jesus - on the OEN page - both of which deal - from a somewhat different point of view - with the subject of politics and religion.

In general, I regard Abbas' article as a good faith attempt to explore the religious impulse. He makes many on-target points, but he allows his unexplored assumptions to get in the way of his clarity. One of these assumptions, common to western culture, as Edgar Morin points out, is reductionism - an attitude of "nothing but."

Although he does not demonstrate this a great deal in this piece, I believe, from reading his other articles and responses that he is a very sensitive man, easily hurt; at the same he paradoxically demonstrates the kind of dogmatism, self-satisfaction, and rigidity of the Ayatollahs, under whose rule he grew up.

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The author suffers from a fallacy common to western culture: reductioniam.

The principal way in which science has tried to understand the world is by breaking phenomena down into smaller units, an approach sometimes described as "reductionism."

Although this way of working has been valuable in many respects (and has made possible the dazzling technological achievements of modern society), it also contains an inherent drawback.

Any emergent qualities of whole systems tend to be lost or simply ignored. Emergence appears to involve new orders of existence, orders which are accompanied by novel properties and characteristics which could not have been predicted from previous stages. Something new is created which brings forth patterns of behavior that require a new level of understanding and explanation. It can be said that "each new whole is more than the sum of its parts and not predictable in terms of its constituents.

Thus, he egregiously ignores higher states of consciousness and further levels of human evolution. As I mentioned, his sources are extraorinarily outdated.

During the 1970's a Belgian physical chemist named Illya Prigogine made a major breakthrough in comprehending how order can arise from disorder - a discovery for which he won the 1977 Nobel prize in chemistry. Prigogine demonstrated that: 1) as predicted, systems which are considered (for practical purposes) closed are bound to decay to states of lesser order (following the second law of thermodynamics); 2) open systems, however, have the built in potential to evolve toward states of increasing order and complexity. Prigogine worked out the detailed thermodynamics of open systems with reference to the analysis of dynamic chemical reactions.

The author's understanding of mind, brain, and the spiritual impulse makes his analysis extraordinarily outdated.

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Edgar Morin writes:

"Up to the mid-twentieth century, most scientific disciplines obeyed the principle of reduction of the knowledge of a whole to knowledge of its parts, as if the organization of an entity did not produce new [emergent] qualities or properties with respect to the parts taken in isolation.

"The principle of reduction inevitably results in reduction of the complex to the simple. It applies to living human complexities the mechanical determinist logic of artificial machines. And it may obscure the truth and eliminate all elements that cannot be measured and quantified, taking the human out of what is human, the passions, emotions, sorrows and joys. Further, when the principle of reduction is applied in strict obedience to the determinist postulate it obscures what is fortuitous, new, inventive.

"Because we were taught to separate, compartmentalize and isolate learning instead of making connections, the whole of our knowledge forms an unintelligible puzzle. Interactions, retroactions, and complexities, lost in the no-man's land between different disciplines, become invisible.

The major human problems disappear, obscured by specific technical problems. The inability to organize scattered compartmentalized learning leads to atrophy of the natural mental disposition [to see things in context]:

Morin writes: "Fragmented, compartmentalized, mechanized, disjunctive, reductionist intelligence breaks the 'world-complex' into disjointed fragments, fractures problems, separates what is connected, makes the multidimensional unidimensional. This intelligence is nearsighted and often goes blind."

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We have taken great pride in our truncated worldview. Scientists and those who deal in the realm of the five sense and the thinking mind are considered to be guardians of the real. In this view reality is limited to the world of matter. Our story ends where matter ends, and what we call death shows up as an absurdity and terrible sorrow.

There are consequences of our having bought into this story (our current mythology). People by the millions are falling into depression, our politics and daily life reveal our addiction to power, violence and death. Legal and illegal drugs flood the marketplace, in our attempt to make life more palatable.

Yet the addiction about which we are most unaware is our addiction to the story itself. It is because of this story so many humans, animals, and plants are dying - and the planet is dying with us. We have fallen into profound denial - rejecting the possibility that the human species and life itself has a meaning and purpose. This has left us with a deep emptiness, which we have tried to fill with substitute gratifications, including: belief, power, sex, violence, drugs. fame, achievement and entertainment.

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I'd like to add that the author is profoundly mistaken when it comes to "paranormal" phenomena.

First, all that exists in our universe is governed by "natural law." Paranormal events, such as telepathy, telekinesis, clairvoyance, Pre-cognitive events (perceiving the future) are simply occurrences beyond the scope of our current scientific understanding.

There are now an abundance of examples and controlled experiments proving the existence of such activities, despite our lack of understanding re- how they operate. (See Stanley Krippner, Scott Peck, Russell Targ and many others).

Abbas' skepticism only reveals his lack of awareness of current science and (I believe) a dogmatic clinging to outmoded views.

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